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Kai Klaas
03/29/06 08:36
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#113363 - Yes, but...
Responding to: Erik Malund's previous message
Erik said:
what about a chopper stabilized op-amp?

Chooper stabilized OPamps like TLC2652 for instance are very nice, do offer only 1µV offset voltage (max) and 100pA input bias current (max). But only using them, without such a chopping scheme (modulation methode) will not remove the thermoelectric potentials and contact potentials. But this is needed, for at least three reasons:

1. The DUT (device under test) will not be soldered to the input, but clamped by clips supporting four wire technique. After some clampings the surface of clips can erode, leading to unpredictable contact potentials.

2. He might touch the clips and/or terminals of reed relay and warm them up unevenly, leading to unpredictable thermoelectric potentials.

3. The reed relay itself suffers from thermoelectric potentials of about 40µV/°C, when the contacts are warmed up unevenly. This is not only the case, when you touch the relay terminals by hand, but also when current is (or was!) flowing through the contacts.

Using a modulation scheme allows him to use cheap contacts for the clips and to touch them and the reed relay by hands. Also, he will not need to wait for "cooling" of contacts, if a higher current was just flowing through the contacts from another test proceeded earlier.

There are much better modulation schemes, by the way: Using a sine in combination with a Lock-in nethode (AD630, for instance), like it can be seen in sophisticated bridge configurations, would allow him to suppress hum and noise even much higher. But then he would need costly parts and parts, which might be unavailable where he lives.
So, I have proposed a modulation scheme, which uses a square wave modulation in combination with simple, cheap and available LM324, powered by +5V. I think the efficiency versus cost factor is very high with this scheme.

Kai

List of 42 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Measuring CR of Reed Switches.      Suresh R      03/22/06 05:24      
   Contact resistance?      Oliver Sedlacek      03/22/06 06:41      
   Correction : Sorry its 10mV to 2500mV      Suresh R      03/22/06 08:17      
   Voltage or current, pick one      Oliver Sedlacek      03/23/06 02:12      
      I can choose Test current as 10mA      Suresh R      03/23/06 03:09      
         typical constact resistance ?      Steve M. Taylor      03/23/06 05:38      
      yes, but      Erik Malund      03/23/06 06:52      
         No CR when closed?      Suresh R      03/23/06 09:46      
            If this was possible, you would not need      Erik Malund      03/23/06 10:37      
               current source with series resistor at      Suresh R      03/23/06 11:22      
                  Yes      Erik Malund      03/23/06 11:48      
                  constant current source      Terry Lingle      03/23/06 13:18      
                  V=IR      Neil Kurzman      03/23/06 15:10      
                     Specs & Description      Suresh R      03/24/06 04:47      
                  resistor ?      Steve M. Taylor      03/24/06 01:45      
                     Current source circuit for CR measuremen      Suresh R      03/24/06 10:06      
                        Why not using...      Kai Klaas      03/24/06 10:35      
                        Kind of      Neil Kurzman      03/24/06 18:06      
                           And...      Kai Klaas      03/24/06 20:38      
                              7805 and get 10mA and 100mA      Suresh R      03/25/06 04:48      
                              reply - thermo-potentials      Suresh R      03/26/06 03:39      
                                 since you work for the manufacturer      Erik Malund      03/26/06 10:50      
                                 Chopper      Kai Klaas      03/26/06 20:04      
                                    Chopper schematic      Kai Klaas      03/27/06 05:58      
                                       Thanks very much Kai.      Suresh R      03/27/06 10:35      
                                       Reply : Chopper Schematic      Suresh R      03/28/06 11:36      
                                          Answers        Kai Klaas      03/28/06 19:58      
                                             what about a chopper stabilized op-amp?      Erik Malund      03/29/06 06:14      
                                                Yur.      Steve M. Taylor      03/29/06 07:22      
                                                Yes, but...      Kai Klaas      03/29/06 08:36      
                                             AC components , VCR, DCR      Suresh R      03/29/06 11:59      
                                                Answers      Kai Klaas      03/29/06 20:18      
                                                   Demodulation?      Oliver Sedlacek      03/30/06 01:06      
                                                      This would be the Lock-in scheme      Kai Klaas      03/30/06 05:35      
                                                   Average Value, VCR & DCR Calculation      Suresh R      03/30/06 05:30      
                                                      Quite simple      Kai Klaas      03/30/06 05:45      
                                             Analysis for Usig o/p      Suresh R      03/30/06 11:56      
                                                Answers      Kai Klaas      03/30/06 20:33      
                                                   I thank you very much Kai      Suresh R      03/31/06 04:48      
                                                      Test Condition: 10mA, 50mV      Suresh R      04/19/06 10:06      
                                                         Switching condition      Kai Klaas      04/19/06 10:14      
   Remember Ohm's law?      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:50      

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