| Richard Erlacher 03/13/07 12:37 Read: 406 times Denver, Co USA |
#134895 - are you sure you're not overstating your case? Responding to: Kai Klaas's previous message |
For many years people built PCB's that successfully ran very fast circuits on two-layer boards. They built supercomputers, not to mention several generations of pretty fast DSP and video processing boards. It's possible, also, to build rubbish on a 4-layer or even 16-layer board.
Mike's board will run at 12 MHz (if he gets off the silly notion that becaus his oscillator seems to work at 18.432 MHz, he's "got it working" at that rate), which is not ultra-slow, but it's really operating at something like 1 MHz for most functions. I've seen student-built boards that had no ground plane or power plane and were not too neatly hand-wired, yet worked quite solidly, often for long periods at a time without any hitches. I think it 's much less a matter of what's being built, and much more a matter of how. I've seen very terrible-looking combined analog, digital, and RF boards that had wires looping through the air, IC's soldered onto the board with only one or two pins touching the board, and lots of "spider-web" technology, yet they worked very well at frequencies well into the hundreds of MHz. It's all in knowing how to do it. The guys who know how to do that can design really good PCB's, too, but have convinced me that one can build circuits that work well on one or two layer boards with appropriate care. RE |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| new PCB software wanted | Mike Stegmaier | 03/12/07 09:18 |
| If that is the case be happy, the more jumpe | Erik Malund | 03/12/07 09:33 |
| Mike, when will you... | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 10:31 |
| It isn't me | Mike Stegmaier | 03/12/07 10:50 |
| Four layer boards?? | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 11:03 |
| The only you get is a circuit >somwhat working< | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 11:22 |
| sure, but he does not want to 'design' he wants to | Erik Malund | 03/12/07 11:30 |
| Connect A to B | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 11:35 |
| naah | Erik Malund | 03/12/07 11:43 |
| are you sure you're not overstating your case? | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 12:37 |
| EMC issues | Joseph Hebert | 03/13/07 12:43 |
| As sure as one can be... | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 13:28 |
| All my commercial wire-wrap boards had 'em | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 13:53 |
| by Dr Howard Johnson and the like | Erik Malund | 03/13/07 14:47 |
| I don't think so ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 22:19 |
| so you DO think so | Erik Malund | 03/14/07 06:09 |
| Well, yes and no ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/07 10:53 |
| true, but how often have we seen | Erik Malund | 03/14/07 11:08 |
| you can't FIX everything | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/07 12:59 |
| not a word about lying | Erik Malund | 03/14/07 13:33 |
| That would be a mistake | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/07 21:54 |
| qualities often lacking | Erik Malund | 03/15/07 06:09 |
| Yes, and that's where the real lesson lies. | Richard Erlacher | 03/15/07 11:10 |
| Almost total agree... | Kai Klaas | 03/14/07 20:28 |
| I don't think we entirely disagree, Kai ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/07 22:32 |
| Yes, less and less entire disagree... | Kai Klaas | 03/14/07 22:43 |
| Slot antenna | Joseph Hebert | 03/13/07 14:11 |
| I think it's a loop, not so much a slot antenna | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 23:29 |
| Slot antennae | Joseph Hebert | 03/14/07 05:11 |
| Exactly! | Kai Klaas | 03/14/07 19:22 |
| "Target" | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 12:13 |
| Free Target? | Andy Neil | 03/12/07 13:18 |
| Identical | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 15:36 |
| I found 1/2 the answer | Mike Stegmaier | 03/12/07 17:51 |
| why library for LCD? | Patrick De Groote | 03/12/07 17:54 |
| It doesn\'t require a library, just a decent editor | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 13:17 |
| ?? | Kai Klaas | 03/12/07 19:49 |
| In many respects, bEagle is probably the WORST | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 13:15 |
| I don't like Eagle either! It's not professional! | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 13:30 |
| hmm | Mike Stegmaier | 03/16/07 08:09 |
| You may want to go back and read the comments | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/07 15:46 |
| I have given up to help Mike... | Kai Klaas | 03/16/07 22:58 |
| I'm not stuck to eagle | Mike Stegmaier | 03/17/07 07:19 |
| I would try to get a second hand win98 PC | Kai Klaas | 03/17/07 09:03 |
| He hasn't searched for drivers yet. | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/07 10:18 |
| Not necessarily true... | Robert Revens | 03/17/07 12:16 |
| not necessarily, but very likely | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/07 12:18 |
| You guys must like microsoft alot | Mike Stegmaier | 03/17/07 20:23 |
| ... and you're sure it doesn't emulate a laserjet? | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/07 23:21 |
| stabile and relialbe ?! | Andy Neil | 03/18/07 17:00 |
| Well the OS (XP in this case) doesn't type well | Richard Erlacher | 03/18/07 17:32 |
| Stability | Andy Neil | 03/19/07 03:02 |
if it ain't broken... | Patrick De Groote | 03/19/07 11:13 |
| Not Identical | Jon Ledbetter | 03/13/07 10:51 |
| Huh? | Robert Revens | 03/13/07 11:21 |
| Looks to me like it is just for hobby or | Jon Ledbetter | 03/13/07 11:32 |
| What is your manufacturer? | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 11:48 |
| Sunstone Circuits | Jon Ledbetter | 03/13/07 12:00 |
| Thanks | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 12:53 |
| Identical refering to operation, of course! | Kai Klaas | 03/13/07 11:47 |
| No, but | Jon Ledbetter | 03/13/07 12:08 |
| much of? | Erik Malund | 03/13/07 12:20 |
| One thing he finally accepted ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 13:27 |
| Ah, thanks :) | Caslav Nedeljkovic | 03/13/07 09:39 |
| Wrong windows | Dennis Welbourn | 03/12/07 13:18 |
| See my other post... | Rob Vassar | 03/12/07 12:25 |
| see my pcb tutorial link in chat forum | Mahmood Elnasser | 03/12/07 13:43 |
| What about the associated software? | Andy Neil | 03/13/07 10:34 |
| No direct output | Robert Revens | 03/13/07 11:25 |
| haven't tried it | Mahmood Elnasser | 03/13/07 11:33 |
| There's a learning curve with any package | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 10:22 |
| Link? | Rob Vassar | 03/13/07 10:23 |
| maybe that's why it still exists | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 12:06 |
| Running on a Windoze box? | Andy Neil | 03/13/07 10:29 |
| It works best on a DOS-box | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 12:16 |
| without commenting on he wisdom | Erik Malund | 03/13/07 11:51 |
| The DOS-OrCAD files import into Capture | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/07 12:25 |
| Links to other Schematic/Layout software | Jon Ledbetter | 03/13/07 11:45 |
| A Guy in England | Joseph Hebert | 03/13/07 12:39 |
| pcb software | John C Barrett | 03/14/07 14:54 |
| PCB123 | Andy Neil | 03/14/07 17:27 |



