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Jan Waclawek
06/19/09 17:10
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#166270 - popular culture
Responding to: Andy Peters's previous message
There's always and inevitably a lot of misconception or even urban legends around anything technical in wide use of non-technical "audience".

The most common USB-related one is the percieved equivalence between "USB 2.0" and "high-speed".

The non-shielded cables (or their kin, the cable having a single, and usually extraordinarily thin, wire, instead of proper shielding) are around due to the fact, that most low-speed USB devices and many full-speed devices in typical "domestic and office" use are most of the time capable of working with such cable. The point is, that the ground and VCC wires in close vicinity of at least mildly twisted data pair works as a fairly good shield.

But here the point is slightly different: the problem is most probably not with noise induced *into* the cable; rather, that excessive spikes induced through the optos' (and the DC/DC if you haven't already gotten rid of it) parasitics, having no better path, flow through the "working" GND wire, thus inducing spikes also in data and VCC. The shield is here aimed to provide a shorter path to true ground, avoiding sensitive circuitry.

Of course this is a double-edged sword, as the shield can in other circumstances act as a capable antenna picking up EMI itself. Also, as I already might have mentioned, some PCs don't connect the USB shield to chassis, and/or don't ground (earth) the chassis. There is no perfect solution, only compromises.

JW

PS. The transils from data lines to GND I mentioned, did you try them? Properly polarised Zeners will do partially, for experimenting purposes, too.


List of 30 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
FT232R USB to Serial      Farshad Mohajeri      06/04/09 12:30      
   Something silly ?      Steve M. Taylor      06/04/09 13:36      
      Capacitive Coupling      Farshad Mohajeri      06/04/09 15:13      
         Ideas      Steve M. Taylor      06/04/09 15:51      
         there is always SOME coupling...      Jan Waclawek      06/04/09 15:52      
   crash and reset the USB connection      Andy Neil      06/04/09 16:24      
      Very unlikely      Farshad Mohajeri      06/04/09 16:30      
         PC USB crash      Oliver Sedlacek      06/05/09 03:06      
            Isolated hub?      Andy Neil      06/05/09 03:18      
         PC Isolation?      Andy Neil      06/05/09 03:20      
   just blame the chip.      Erik Malund      06/04/09 20:29      
      Please see my other post with image (nt)      Farshad Mohajeri      06/05/09 13:25      
   is connector grounded on Your side?      Stefan KAnev      06/05/09 01:42      
      Huh?      Joseph Hebert      06/05/09 09:21      
         yes      Stefan KAnev      06/05/09 09:38      
            Floating the end of the cable shielding      Joseph Hebert      06/11/09 11:37      
      Was using wrong cable      Farshad Mohajeri      06/11/09 12:36      
   More information      Farshad Mohajeri      06/05/09 13:21      
      Hmm      Steve M. Taylor      06/05/09 16:18      
      isolation      Jan Waclawek      06/06/09 04:29      
   Update...      Farshad Mohajeri      06/11/09 03:40      
      USB and RS485      Joseph Hebert      06/11/09 11:44      
         could this be it      Erik Malund      06/11/09 12:01      
            Tested both self-powered and bus-powered      Farshad Mohajeri      06/11/09 12:41      
         RS485 Converter      Farshad Mohajeri      06/11/09 12:11      
      el.circui?      Stefan KAnev      06/11/09 13:59      
      re: why?      Andy Peters      06/19/09 12:22      
         USB 1.1      Farshad Mohajeri      06/19/09 15:20      
            re: USB 1.1      Andy Peters      06/19/09 16:34      
               popular culture      Jan Waclawek      06/19/09 17:10      

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