| Jan Waclawek 06/19/09 17:10 Read: 228 times Bratislava Slovakia |
#166270 - popular culture Responding to: Andy Peters's previous message |
There's always and inevitably a lot of misconception or even urban legends around anything technical in wide use of non-technical "audience".
The most common USB-related one is the percieved equivalence between "USB 2.0" and "high-speed". The non-shielded cables (or their kin, the cable having a single, and usually extraordinarily thin, wire, instead of proper shielding) are around due to the fact, that most low-speed USB devices and many full-speed devices in typical "domestic and office" use are most of the time capable of working with such cable. The point is, that the ground and VCC wires in close vicinity of at least mildly twisted data pair works as a fairly good shield. But here the point is slightly different: the problem is most probably not with noise induced *into* the cable; rather, that excessive spikes induced through the optos' (and the DC/DC if you haven't already gotten rid of it) parasitics, having no better path, flow through the "working" GND wire, thus inducing spikes also in data and VCC. The shield is here aimed to provide a shorter path to true ground, avoiding sensitive circuitry. Of course this is a double-edged sword, as the shield can in other circumstances act as a capable antenna picking up EMI itself. Also, as I already might have mentioned, some PCs don't connect the USB shield to chassis, and/or don't ground (earth) the chassis. There is no perfect solution, only compromises. JW PS. The transils from data lines to GND I mentioned, did you try them? Properly polarised Zeners will do partially, for experimenting purposes, too. |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| FT232R USB to Serial | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/04/09 12:30 |
| Something silly ? | Steve M. Taylor | 06/04/09 13:36 |
| Capacitive Coupling | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/04/09 15:13 |
| Ideas | Steve M. Taylor | 06/04/09 15:51 |
| there is always SOME coupling... | Jan Waclawek | 06/04/09 15:52 |
| crash and reset the USB connection | Andy Neil | 06/04/09 16:24 |
| Very unlikely | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/04/09 16:30 |
| PC USB crash | Oliver Sedlacek | 06/05/09 03:06 |
| Isolated hub? | Andy Neil | 06/05/09 03:18 |
| PC Isolation? | Andy Neil | 06/05/09 03:20 |
| just blame the chip. | Erik Malund | 06/04/09 20:29 |
| Please see my other post with image (nt) | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/05/09 13:25 |
| is connector grounded on Your side? | Stefan KAnev | 06/05/09 01:42 |
| Huh? | Joseph Hebert | 06/05/09 09:21 |
| yes | Stefan KAnev | 06/05/09 09:38 |
| Floating the end of the cable shielding | Joseph Hebert | 06/11/09 11:37 |
| Was using wrong cable | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/11/09 12:36 |
| More information | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/05/09 13:21 |
| Hmm | Steve M. Taylor | 06/05/09 16:18 |
| isolation | Jan Waclawek | 06/06/09 04:29 |
| Update... | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/11/09 03:40 |
| USB and RS485 | Joseph Hebert | 06/11/09 11:44 |
| could this be it | Erik Malund | 06/11/09 12:01 |
| Tested both self-powered and bus-powered | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/11/09 12:41 |
| RS485 Converter | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/11/09 12:11 |
| el.circui? | Stefan KAnev | 06/11/09 13:59 |
| re: why? | Andy Peters | 06/19/09 12:22 |
| USB 1.1 | Farshad Mohajeri | 06/19/09 15:20 |
| re: USB 1.1 | Andy Peters | 06/19/09 16:34 |
popular culture | Jan Waclawek | 06/19/09 17:10 |



