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Richard Erlacher
01/27/10 09:58
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Denver, Co
USA


 
#172758 - Once again, Erik, you've missed the point
Responding to: Erik Malund's previous message
with a properly chosen pair of load capacitors, the built-in oscillator will function fairly well and with reasonable reliability at frequencies below 25 MHz, though they work MUCH more so at frequencies below 20 MHz. As has been stated by me and others, they aren't intended to work with 3rd harmonic crystals.

The O/P made it clear that he wanted to observe a speed increase as a consequence of installing a crystal that is marked with a frequency three times as high as the one that he previously used.

Anyone who's made the mistake that the O/P made, namely attempting to use a low-frequency oscillator circuit (as indicated by the overly large capacitors of 30 pf that he indicated he's using) with a 3rd overtone crystal knows that the nominal frequency at which that oscillator will operate, if at all, will be about 1/3 the labeled frequency. That's exactly what was observed and described in the O/P's original post.

I recommended that he try using a crystal oscillator, which it is likely he already had on hand, or, at least, could easily find. You, on the other hand, insisted that he didn't need a crystal oscillator. Well, nobody said he needs a crystal oscillator, but I did say it might make things work better, as this is just an experiment.

Just what did you think you were contributing by your inane remark that he should use the KEIL baudrate parameter calculator? What did you think you were contributing by your remark that he didn't need a crystal oscillator?

Had you suggested a method for modifying the Pierce oscillator built into his MCU so that it would operate at 3rd harmonic, that would have been helpful. Had you suggested a way in which he could obtain a first-overtone crystal of the frequency he needed, that would have been helpful.

Do you really believe that telling him he should use a SiLabs MCU would help him get his ATMEL-based circuit to function at the nominally 33 MHz rate?

You're quite apparently promoting KEIL and SiLabs products, Erik, but it's seldom indeed that you actually focus on the O/P's query. Your most common response to, "How can I do this?" is, "Why would you want to do that? You should do this instead!" Do you really think that helps an experimenter do what he wants?

Why would you help an old grandma across the street if she doesn't want to go there?

RE

List of 26 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
execution speed and crystal frequency      Hans Marée      01/25/10 10:29      
   my guess is ...      Erik Malund      01/25/10 11:26      
   overtone      Stefan KAnev      01/25/10 11:27      
   As others already mentioned...      Kai Klaas      01/25/10 13:16      
      Indeed overtone      Hans Marée      01/26/10 13:48      
         Just try the crystal with 15pF + 15pF caps.      David Prentice      01/26/10 14:26      
   Try it with a crystal oscillator, rather than a crystal      Richard Erlacher      01/25/10 16:42      
      baloney      Erik Malund      01/25/10 16:51      
         Baloney #2      Andy Neil      01/25/10 18:02      
         Where is your head wedged, Erik?      Richard Erlacher      01/25/10 18:38      
            just correcting invalid info      Erik Malund      01/25/10 19:00      
               SO ... What, exactly, is incorrect?      Richard Erlacher      01/25/10 23:35      
                  already stated      Erik Malund      01/26/10 07:33      
                     You are showing us how smart you are again, Erik!      Richard Erlacher      01/26/10 09:28      
                        not my intention, but thanks for the compliment      Erik Malund      01/26/10 09:46      
         Richard is right...      Kai Klaas      01/26/10 10:12      
            I do not use these and ....      Erik Malund      01/26/10 10:19      
               Fact is ...      Richard Erlacher      01/26/10 18:49      
                  as Kai stated      Erik Malund      01/26/10 19:19      
                     so ... Erik ... what's your point?      Richard Erlacher      01/26/10 21:25      
                        I did      Erik Malund      01/27/10 05:32      
                           Once again, Erik, you've missed the point      Richard Erlacher      01/27/10 09:58      
                              YOU would sell a suicide candidate a rope      Erik Malund      01/27/10 11:15      
                                 come on...      Stefan KAnev      01/27/10 12:08      
                     come on...      Stefan KAnev      01/27/10 12:07      
   Specifying Quartz Crystals      Enrique Viseras-Marin      01/26/10 06:35      

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