| Richard Erlacher 03/02/10 10:17 Read: 172 times Denver, Co USA |
#173736 - the PC's not the best example ... Responding to: Jan Waclawek's previous message |
The PC once was a device useful for a large number of things. As time has worn on, particularly since the advent of Windows, it has become less and less so, until, now, it's easier to use an ARM-based SBC to do what one once did with a PC. Once upon a time, it was straightforward to construct a piece of hardware on an ISA bus board, plug it in, and write 'C' code to drive it. Now, it's virtually impossible. Back in the early '80's it cost about $200 to develop a new bit of hardware. Now, it costs about $2E6 just to get the necessary software tools and put people to work attempting to work around all the hostile features in the OS.
I still maintain a number of DOS-based PC's just for the purpose of using them to drive custom hardware. Of course, I don't build printed-circuit boards for those things, but the PC of 1990 still does the job, even with a '486. Having everything integrated into the motherboard hasn't been the culprit, but having everything on the motherboard go undocumented, such that it's virtually impossible to use it with custom software, makes the PC an unlikely candidate for development. Linux doesn't help much either, as it places many of the same restrictions on I/O that Windows does nor does PCI help, as prototyping materials for PCI aren't easily available. The PC has become a tool for running Windows app's, and isn't of much use for anything else, these days. It's time to develop a development platform. In the pre-PC days, using one's computer, be it an APPLE-][ or a CP/M box with an 8080 or Z80, was a given. The PC worked in that role for a while, but its day has passed. Sadly, nothing "out there" will take its place. RE |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| ready made board with 2 UARTs equipped .. | Erik Malund | 01/27/10 09:00 |
| Send me details | Joseph Hebert | 01/27/10 19:27 |
| SiLabs kit | Andy Neil | 01/28/10 01:33 |
| they don't, but | Erik Malund | 01/28/10 04:50 |
| Can you give more details ? | Kiran V. Sutar | 01/28/10 04:17 |
| if it was to be made, I need no assistance since ... | Erik Malund | 01/28/10 04:46 |
| ...and I thought Price was the issue... | Kiran V. Sutar | 01/29/10 09:50 |
| One Suggestion | Mahesh Joshi | 02/03/10 08:05 |
| the MX chips are being phased out | Erik Malund | 02/03/10 08:27 |
| I sent you email | Grant Beattie | 02/03/10 15:46 |
| read, answered, thanks | Erik Malund | 02/03/10 18:25 |
| you can use sm5964 | Michael Ma | 02/11/10 01:18 |
| the idea was stated as... | Erik Malund | 02/12/10 07:57 |
| It is a suggestion | Michael Ma | 02/27/10 22:09 |
| Not a good idea | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 01:11 |
| that it is | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 08:09 |
| How about Phycore? | AP Charles | 02/12/10 08:39 |
| Legacy Product | Andy Neil | 02/12/10 09:08 |
| oh, yes | Erik Malund | 02/12/10 09:42 |
| Have a look at grifo | AP Charles | 02/12/10 09:57 |
| This looks good too | AP Charles | 02/12/10 08:49 |
| I've been wondering ... | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 01:16 |
| Likewise | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 02:34 |
| Maybe, but who makes 'em? | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 09:38 |
| 8052 with only 1 UART | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 11:15 |
| I'm surprised, but that's the case! | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 01:08 |
| why surprised? | Erik Malund | 03/01/10 07:35 |
| That's what I thought | Andy Neil | 03/01/10 07:49 |
| I never thought of it in those terms ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 08:20 |
| comments | Erik Malund | 03/01/10 08:47 |
| It could be done with two wires and 2-UART MCU | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 12:41 |
| 120 devboards ... | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 07:05 |
| How difficult or costly would it be to add one? | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 09:40 |
| neither difficult nor costly | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 18:31 |
| SILABs 040 has 2 uarts on it | Marshall Brown | 03/15/10 19:58 |
| with ds89c450 or 430 | JecksonS Ben | 02/28/10 20:06 |
| But that's a chip - not a board! | Andy Neil | 03/01/10 01:50 |
| cheap boards | JecksonS Ben | 03/01/10 19:49 |
| this is what's meant | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 23:40 |
| No RS485 | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 02:26 |
| Example | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 03:35 |
| bad example | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 04:02 |
| No - excellent example! | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 05:29 |
| likewise with that other board ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 10:01 |
| And did *you* know what are you looking for? | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 13:30 |
| You got it | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 14:34 |
| why "never"? | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 03:58 |
| the PC's not the best example ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 10:17 |
| PC as an example | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 13:21 |
| Lots of toys ... little of any practical use. | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 17:59 |
| Different tools can be used in different ways | Per Westermark | 03/12/10 13:11 |
| where is your head wedged? | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/10 19:47 |
| Don't blame the PC for solving wrong things with USB | Per Westermark | 03/13/10 20:31 |
| There are many things for which USB is unsuited | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/10 19:32 |
| Every change since 1980 isn't for the worse | Per Westermark | 03/14/10 23:02 |
| Maybe, but this one is | Richard Erlacher | 03/15/10 12:00 |
| again | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 13:02 |
| Thta's what you say ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:56 |
| that's what you always say | Andy Peters | 03/16/10 12:04 |
| Where you sit determines what you see | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/10 12:02 |
| Where did you sit? | Per Westermark | 03/17/10 12:37 |
SPI solves completely different problem than HDLC | Per Westermark | 03/18/10 08:50 |
| and again | Stefan KAnev | 03/15/10 13:37 |
| what about the required size of the driver? | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:48 |
| required size of driver | Stefan KAnev | 03/16/10 07:32 |
| What do you mean by PCL Cost? | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/10 12:04 |
| price difference between similar printers - | Stefan KAnev | 03/17/10 13:16 |
| Define narrow view - I see oportunities, i.e. the reverse | Per Westermark | 03/15/10 13:42 |
| not relevant | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:59 |
| So the Windows driver didn't list 8051 compatibility??? | Per Westermark | 03/16/10 03:47 |
| I vote Richard as president for ... | Erik Malund | 03/15/10 13:20 |
| That's what one would expect from you, Erik | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:00 |
| USB and fixed-rate transfer | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 12:50 |
| Fortunately, there's DOS ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:07 |
| Linux - I thought as much | Andy Neil | 03/03/10 01:07 |
| PCs | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 12:48 |
| you forgot about LINUX | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:20 |
| By this time, anybody could have built one... | Kiran V. Sutar | 03/02/10 03:11 |
| Funnily enough, ... | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 03:33 |
| no | Erik Malund | 03/02/10 08:06 |
| I Hate to ask this.... | Justin Fontes | 03/13/10 01:44 |
| A *very* common requirement! | Andy Neil | 03/13/10 02:05 |
| if indeed | Erik Malund | 03/13/10 07:08 |



