| Per Westermark 03/13/10 20:31 Read: 142 times Sweden |
#174123 - Don't blame the PC for solving wrong things with USB Responding to: Richard Erlacher's previous message |
A UART does work for fixed-data rate asynchronous data.
A USART does work for fixed-data rate synchronous data. No difference - just a back-end bus with enough bandwidth, and a FIFO to let the PC burst the data. When discussing USB-to-serial or USB-to parallel you really have to separate issues with USB from your issues with a PC. Remember that USB has a 1ms cycle time, so it will not be able to match the reaction times of the handshake lines of a native serial port. That is a limitation of the USB bus, and not of the PC it is connected to. Use a PCI-connected serial port if you want lower latency. And same thing with a USB-to-parallel interface. It is not an adapter that gives a compatible Centronics interface. It is a USB-to-printer interface, and it only works with standard drivers and standard printers. Programs expecting direct access to the signals will fail since the interface just can't transfer the commands with zero lag. But while a USB-connected interface does suffer from latencies because of the design of the USB protocol, it can still manage quite high synchronous data rates with a bit of buffering in the USB device. The PC can't guarantee us reaction times to everything that happens, but stepping back into the ms range, it can do very well. And it doesn't take much memory for a FIFO to span milliseconds. I can stream bluray HD video continuously without any problems. 30GB of data to be played in 2 hours is 4MB/S OR 32Mbit/s. The peak requirements are higher. By the way: if you do want 45Mbit/s - don't use 12Mbit/s USB. 480Mbit/s does have the bandwidth to keep a FIFO filled with capacity to spare. Windows manages to push > 30MB/s continuously. 40MB/s if switching from USB to 400Mbit/s FW. |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| ready made board with 2 UARTs equipped .. | Erik Malund | 01/27/10 09:00 |
| Send me details | Joseph Hebert | 01/27/10 19:27 |
| SiLabs kit | Andy Neil | 01/28/10 01:33 |
| they don't, but | Erik Malund | 01/28/10 04:50 |
| Can you give more details ? | Kiran V. Sutar | 01/28/10 04:17 |
| if it was to be made, I need no assistance since ... | Erik Malund | 01/28/10 04:46 |
| ...and I thought Price was the issue... | Kiran V. Sutar | 01/29/10 09:50 |
| One Suggestion | Mahesh Joshi | 02/03/10 08:05 |
| the MX chips are being phased out | Erik Malund | 02/03/10 08:27 |
| I sent you email | Grant Beattie | 02/03/10 15:46 |
| read, answered, thanks | Erik Malund | 02/03/10 18:25 |
| you can use sm5964 | Michael Ma | 02/11/10 01:18 |
| the idea was stated as... | Erik Malund | 02/12/10 07:57 |
| It is a suggestion | Michael Ma | 02/27/10 22:09 |
| Not a good idea | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 01:11 |
| that it is | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 08:09 |
| How about Phycore? | AP Charles | 02/12/10 08:39 |
| Legacy Product | Andy Neil | 02/12/10 09:08 |
| oh, yes | Erik Malund | 02/12/10 09:42 |
| Have a look at grifo | AP Charles | 02/12/10 09:57 |
| This looks good too | AP Charles | 02/12/10 08:49 |
| I've been wondering ... | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 01:16 |
| Likewise | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 02:34 |
| Maybe, but who makes 'em? | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 09:38 |
| 8052 with only 1 UART | Andy Neil | 02/28/10 11:15 |
| I'm surprised, but that's the case! | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 01:08 |
| why surprised? | Erik Malund | 03/01/10 07:35 |
| That's what I thought | Andy Neil | 03/01/10 07:49 |
| I never thought of it in those terms ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 08:20 |
| comments | Erik Malund | 03/01/10 08:47 |
| It could be done with two wires and 2-UART MCU | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 12:41 |
| 120 devboards ... | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 07:05 |
| How difficult or costly would it be to add one? | Richard Erlacher | 02/28/10 09:40 |
| neither difficult nor costly | Erik Malund | 02/28/10 18:31 |
| SILABs 040 has 2 uarts on it | Marshall Brown | 03/15/10 19:58 |
| with ds89c450 or 430 | JecksonS Ben | 02/28/10 20:06 |
| But that's a chip - not a board! | Andy Neil | 03/01/10 01:50 |
| cheap boards | JecksonS Ben | 03/01/10 19:49 |
| this is what's meant | Richard Erlacher | 03/01/10 23:40 |
| No RS485 | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 02:26 |
| Example | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 03:35 |
| bad example | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 04:02 |
| No - excellent example! | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 05:29 |
| likewise with that other board ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 10:01 |
| And did *you* know what are you looking for? | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 13:30 |
| You got it | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 14:34 |
| why "never"? | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 03:58 |
| the PC's not the best example ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 10:17 |
| PC as an example | Jan Waclawek | 03/02/10 13:21 |
| Lots of toys ... little of any practical use. | Richard Erlacher | 03/02/10 17:59 |
| Different tools can be used in different ways | Per Westermark | 03/12/10 13:11 |
| where is your head wedged? | Richard Erlacher | 03/13/10 19:47 |
| Don't blame the PC for solving wrong things with USB | Per Westermark | 03/13/10 20:31 |
| There are many things for which USB is unsuited | Richard Erlacher | 03/14/10 19:32 |
| Every change since 1980 isn't for the worse | Per Westermark | 03/14/10 23:02 |
| Maybe, but this one is | Richard Erlacher | 03/15/10 12:00 |
| again | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 13:02 |
| Thta's what you say ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:56 |
| that's what you always say | Andy Peters | 03/16/10 12:04 |
| Where you sit determines what you see | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/10 12:02 |
| Where did you sit? | Per Westermark | 03/17/10 12:37 |
SPI solves completely different problem than HDLC | Per Westermark | 03/18/10 08:50 |
| and again | Stefan KAnev | 03/15/10 13:37 |
| what about the required size of the driver? | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:48 |
| required size of driver | Stefan KAnev | 03/16/10 07:32 |
| What do you mean by PCL Cost? | Richard Erlacher | 03/17/10 12:04 |
| price difference between similar printers - | Stefan KAnev | 03/17/10 13:16 |
| Define narrow view - I see oportunities, i.e. the reverse | Per Westermark | 03/15/10 13:42 |
| not relevant | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 02:59 |
| So the Windows driver didn't list 8051 compatibility??? | Per Westermark | 03/16/10 03:47 |
| I vote Richard as president for ... | Erik Malund | 03/15/10 13:20 |
| That's what one would expect from you, Erik | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:00 |
| USB and fixed-rate transfer | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 12:50 |
| Fortunately, there's DOS ... | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:07 |
| Linux - I thought as much | Andy Neil | 03/03/10 01:07 |
| PCs | Andy Peters | 03/15/10 12:48 |
| you forgot about LINUX | Richard Erlacher | 03/16/10 03:20 |
| By this time, anybody could have built one... | Kiran V. Sutar | 03/02/10 03:11 |
| Funnily enough, ... | Andy Neil | 03/02/10 03:33 |
| no | Erik Malund | 03/02/10 08:06 |
| I Hate to ask this.... | Justin Fontes | 03/13/10 01:44 |
| A *very* common requirement! | Andy Neil | 03/13/10 02:05 |
| if indeed | Erik Malund | 03/13/10 07:08 |



