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Per Westermark
09/12/11 07:30
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#183719 - Alas, "weak output drive" and no input hysterese
Responding to: Jan Waclawek's previous message
"The NTB0104 is a 4-bit, dual supply translating transceiver with auto direction sensing, that enables bidirectional voltage level translation."

The auto direction sensing part sounds interesting. If all I needed was just level shifting, then 74HCT can manage quite well, but these chips might be able to solve the data direction problem while still taking care of power dissipation for inadvertently loaded outputs, and the required noise immunity of a transceiver.

But there seems to be two issues.

1) There is no mention of any hysterese on inputs.

2) I'm not sure if they are strong enough for driving ribbon-cable signals.

"In a static state, the output drivers of the NTB0104 can maintain a defined
output level, but the output architecture is designed to be weak, so that
they can be overdriven by an external driver when data on the bus starts
flowing in the opposite direction."

So I see lots of potential for them - the price is nice too - but probably only for on-board level conversion.

From the datasheets it's a bit hard to figure out their actual drive capabilities, so I should probably get some samples to play around with, even if I do not think they are usable for this specific project.

List of 40 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Bit-configurable transceiver chips        Per Westermark      09/12/11 02:28      
   Suggesting....again...      Michael Karas      09/12/11 05:35      
      Alas 5V needed and ribbon cables are a bit "rough"      Per Westermark      09/12/11 06:54      
   Another Suggestion....      Michael Karas      09/12/11 05:59      
   level translator      Jan Waclawek      09/12/11 06:21      
      Alas, "weak output drive" and no input hysterese      Per Westermark      09/12/11 07:30      
      TI sn74gtl2010      Stefan KAnev      09/17/11 02:18      
         or NXP GTL2010,GTL2000      Stefan KAnev      09/19/11 01:24      
            looks promising      Richard Erlacher      09/21/11 22:29      
            NXP GTL20xx -> NVT20xx      Jan Waclawek      10/04/11 00:57      
         Need to read more to understand them      Per Westermark      09/20/11 02:04      
            looks like the cat's miauw      Erik Malund      09/21/11 07:45      
   NXP has ....      Erik Malund      09/12/11 13:28      
      I2C or SPI just can't get even close to the huge bandwidth      Per Westermark      09/12/11 14:01      
         nope, no I²C clocks      Erik Malund      09/12/11 14:21      
            extender, not expander      Per Westermark      09/12/11 14:37      
   I have been wondering this myself      Justin Fontes      09/12/11 16:18      
      Supported capacitance seems to be the snag      Per Westermark      09/12/11 17:23      
   Differential SPI      Jez Smith      09/16/11 09:39      
      Serial -> buffers on adapter boards is a potential solution      Per Westermark      09/16/11 14:41      
   Have you considered programmable logic?      Richard Erlacher      09/19/11 14:08      
      I had suggested this as well      Michael Karas      09/19/11 14:33      
         Yes ... I remember that ...      Richard Erlacher      09/19/11 23:43      
            Long life      Per Westermark      09/20/11 01:59      
               They seem to live a long time ...      Richard Erlacher      09/20/11 09:22      
                  Adapters      Per Westermark      09/20/11 10:16      
                     These aren't necessarily so "huge"      Richard Erlacher      09/20/11 19:52      
                        Not huge in size      Per Westermark      09/21/11 01:49      
                           Some of them can handle that.      Richard Erlacher      09/21/11 22:34      
                              Yes and no      Per Westermark      09/22/11 04:53      
                                 There are ways ...      Richard Erlacher      09/22/11 10:55      
                                    Body diodes      Per Westermark      09/22/11 16:39      
                                       serial termination ...      Erik Malund      09/23/11 07:36      
                                          Yes, current- and bandwidth-limiting components used      Per Westermark      09/23/11 08:25      
                                             you youing whippersnappers, pay attention      Erik Malund      09/23/11 11:45      
            pedantry, again      Andy Peters      09/20/11 11:13      
               What would YOU suggest?      Richard Erlacher      09/20/11 19:45      
   Here's a thought ...      Richard Erlacher      10/17/11 03:03      
      Probably      Per Westermark      10/17/11 15:51      
         I'd sugest you consider older CPLD's      Richard Erlacher      10/17/11 19:14      

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