| Richard Erlacher 11/15/11 10:08 Read: 156 times Denver, Co USA |
#184745 - I have to agree, conditionally Responding to: Erik Malund's previous message |
If the emphasis is going to be on coding,which is, after all, at the heart of what microcontrollers are all about, then a well-supported, well-provisioned devboard might be the best choice.
From the standpoint of one wishing to learn about electronics, however, starting "from scratch" might be a better one, particularly since our O/P has meters and 'scope available, along with a parent who presumably knows how to use them. The experience of "bringing something up" without using ready-made application circuits (I know ... the IC's are ready-made circuits too) is an experience that can't be obtained any other way. I've "brought along" a few youngsters who were interested in hardware, though they were all more adept at programming than electronic analysis and design, and I've always started them with power supply, then basic application circuit for the processor of their choice, and then comm's, and then mass-storage. That was, of course, back before the mass-storage was so straightforward as it is now, with ATA. Back then we had raw ST506 interface,or SMD, or SASI/SCSI to contend with. A couple of these guys I "brought along" retired even earlier than I started to do so, and they were 20 years younger than I. The approach seems to work. I'm persuaded that our particular O/P will do better with a ready-made EVK such as the 'F120 kit if his primary goal is to write code and to develop his programming skills heading in the direction of that robotic system he mentioned. If, however, he wants to develop hardware skills, starting from a bare MCU will probably better serve his needs. RE |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| How to write programs to internal memory with RS232??? | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 00:56 |
| What processor | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 01:05 |
| And the winner is... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:13 |
| fuggetabutit | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 11:42 |
| Hmmmmmm | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:53 |
| sure there is | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:15 |
| Costly failure | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 12:20 |
| Well, the UV thing confuses me... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 12:26 |
| well, then .... | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:56 |
| OTP or mask-programmed | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 13:00 |
| Isn't that a clue? | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:09 |
| Wrong! It won't work with THIS part! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:08 |
| 8032 | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 14:39 |
| Actually ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 23:50 |
| What situation would that be? | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 05:25 |
| I think you're confusing two different parts. | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:09 |
| There's the thing! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:37 |
| It all depends on what you mean by experienced. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:54 |
| RE: It all depends on what you mean by, "experienced" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:03 |
| "Level" is such a relative term | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:35 |
| That's the reason | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:15 |
| 8032? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:47 |
| Yes - but is it worth it? | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:30 |
| It's a long, circuitous path ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:24 |
| I have an external UV EPROM | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:38 |
| If you don't know that, ... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:35 |
| Unless you have specific interest in vintage electronics ... | Andy Neil | 11/11/11 13:13 |
| So...I've made a decision..sorta | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 23:51 |
| One step at a time | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 00:21 |
| Any specific one though? | Jacob Drake | 11/13/11 00:28 |
| This one? | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 01:04 |
| Not this one! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 13:55 |
| Hmmm, a goal? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:44 |
| Wrong road! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:07 |
| Regarding knowledge of electronics. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:57 |
| RE: "fourth grade" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:10 |
| RE:RE:Fourth grade | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:36 |
| if the "self taught home-school class" refer to the archaric | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 08:17 |
| When throwing out bathwater, take care to retain baby... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 10:16 |
| out of sheer nostalgia | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:44 |
| It might, in fact, be a good thing to go back farther | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:37 |
| Interesting | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 00:15 |
| You need to know much more about two things ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 12:51 |
| About other processors | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 13:01 |
| The prices were on the page! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:07 |
| SiLabs Boards | Michael Karas | 11/12/11 13:42 |
| Integrated | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 14:57 |
| here | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:34 |
| Code flash not always able to replace EEPROM | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 16:56 |
| agreed | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 17:24 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Maybe a heretic idea... | Matthias Arndt | 11/13/11 04:44 |
| There's a problem with these ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 12:56 |
| Not for the intended purpose.... | Matthias Arndt | 11/14/11 00:49 |
| Single source | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 01:02 |
| Just another chance..... | Michael Karas | 11/14/11 04:46 |
| If you read his entire post ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:00 |
| I have six other microprocessors that i found yesterday | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 13:12 |
| Well, this is not the PIC forum ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:37 |
| I was just saying... | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 15:02 |
| 'found'stuff | Erik Malund | 11/15/11 06:31 |
| I have to agree, conditionally | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:08 |
| learning about microcontrollers | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:24 |
| Arduino is a very good choice if not going 8051 route | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 16:54 |
| Careful, now ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:38 |
| spend some $$$ on an already-assembled product | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:14 |
| in for a penny, in for a pound ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:57 |
| Still easier to learn to program before bringing up first hw | Per Westermark | 11/15/11 11:26 |
I'm not so sure ... maybe we'll just have to disagree | Richard Erlacher | 11/16/11 11:32 |
| If you're really serious about this ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 14:01 |
| tools and such | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 09:58 |
| Well ... maybe your Dad can fill you in on some details | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:13 |
| re: 8052 | Andy Peters | 11/14/11 12:57 |
| Switched | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 13:18 |
| no offense, but that's incorrect. | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:24 |



