| Richard Erlacher 11/15/11 10:38 Modified: 11/15/11 11:04 Read: 180 times Denver, Co USA |
#184747 - Careful, now ... Responding to: Andy Neil's previous message |
Andy Neil said:
Richard Erlacher said:
If he's willing to learn about microcontrollers, I'd favor making it as easy as possible for him. AVR and Arduino won't do that. Why on earth not? I would think that Arduino is VERY much better than PC/104 for learning about microcontrollers I would think that a PC/104 is most ill-suited to learning about microcontrollers - because all the microcontroller details will be physically hidden in a custom chip, and logically hidden behind the BIOS? First of all, AVR comes from Atmel, and nobody else. There are no other options. Which, for the purposes of learning is totally irrelevant! Doesn't that depend on where he's headed? I recommended the PC104 route only because he said he wanted to work toward a robotic system and he has programming experience on the PC. PC104-packaged PC-dlookalikes are pretty available, though they're not cheap. They do offer him the opportunity to put a PC in his robotic system, which might just meet his needs. I haven't even bothered to look up where Arduino comes from I think you may have misunderstood my remarks. I don't condemn any of the options, but simply pointed out that, with Jacob's prior experience coding for the PC, a PC-lookalike would be a short path to where he wants to go. I don't recommend Windows for that, but DOS would probably fill the bill. It is an open-source hardware platform - not a chip.
It has a very wide following, and there is a great deal of "community" support available; especially for hobby robotics - which is the OP's stated area of interest. but if it's not as many sources as 805x-core MCU's There are now very many Arduino-alikes based on many different microcontrollers. I don't know if there's an 805x one - but there are ARMs... I think there's quite a lot of misinformation bandied about in the MCU community, particularly about the benefit of using 32-bit MCU's rather than 8-bitters, mostly because the persons involved haven't made actual objective comparisons in a wide range of applications. I agree that, where a task is computing intensive most 32-bit architectures offer advantages. However, in many low-level applications, the 8-bitters just fit the task better. I'm presently playing with an instruction set implementation that is tailored for those low-level applications where performance on small data units is important. Sort-of like what the old 8x300 did with I/O processing when 300ns per instruction was considered to be very fast. 8-bitters deal with single bytes very well, while few 32-bitters do that as well. Maybe there's another way ... but that should go in a different thread under CHAT. Mayabe, one of these days ... RE |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| How to write programs to internal memory with RS232??? | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 00:56 |
| What processor | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 01:05 |
| And the winner is... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:13 |
| fuggetabutit | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 11:42 |
| Hmmmmmm | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:53 |
| sure there is | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:15 |
| Costly failure | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 12:20 |
| Well, the UV thing confuses me... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 12:26 |
| well, then .... | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:56 |
| OTP or mask-programmed | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 13:00 |
| Isn't that a clue? | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:09 |
| Wrong! It won't work with THIS part! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:08 |
| 8032 | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 14:39 |
| Actually ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 23:50 |
| What situation would that be? | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 05:25 |
| I think you're confusing two different parts. | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:09 |
| There's the thing! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:37 |
| It all depends on what you mean by experienced. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:54 |
| RE: It all depends on what you mean by, "experienced" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:03 |
| "Level" is such a relative term | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:35 |
| That's the reason | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:15 |
| 8032? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:47 |
| Yes - but is it worth it? | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:30 |
| It's a long, circuitous path ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:24 |
| I have an external UV EPROM | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:38 |
| If you don't know that, ... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:35 |
| Unless you have specific interest in vintage electronics ... | Andy Neil | 11/11/11 13:13 |
| So...I've made a decision..sorta | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 23:51 |
| One step at a time | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 00:21 |
| Any specific one though? | Jacob Drake | 11/13/11 00:28 |
| This one? | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 01:04 |
| Not this one! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 13:55 |
| Hmmm, a goal? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:44 |
| Wrong road! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:07 |
| Regarding knowledge of electronics. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:57 |
| RE: "fourth grade" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:10 |
| RE:RE:Fourth grade | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:36 |
| if the "self taught home-school class" refer to the archaric | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 08:17 |
| When throwing out bathwater, take care to retain baby... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 10:16 |
| out of sheer nostalgia | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:44 |
| It might, in fact, be a good thing to go back farther | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:37 |
| Interesting | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 00:15 |
| You need to know much more about two things ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 12:51 |
| About other processors | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 13:01 |
| The prices were on the page! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:07 |
| SiLabs Boards | Michael Karas | 11/12/11 13:42 |
| Integrated | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 14:57 |
| here | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:34 |
| Code flash not always able to replace EEPROM | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 16:56 |
| agreed | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 17:24 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Maybe a heretic idea... | Matthias Arndt | 11/13/11 04:44 |
| There's a problem with these ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 12:56 |
| Not for the intended purpose.... | Matthias Arndt | 11/14/11 00:49 |
| Single source | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 01:02 |
| Just another chance..... | Michael Karas | 11/14/11 04:46 |
| If you read his entire post ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:00 |
| I have six other microprocessors that i found yesterday | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 13:12 |
| Well, this is not the PIC forum ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:37 |
| I was just saying... | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 15:02 |
| 'found'stuff | Erik Malund | 11/15/11 06:31 |
| I have to agree, conditionally | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:08 |
| learning about microcontrollers | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:24 |
| Arduino is a very good choice if not going 8051 route | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 16:54 |
| Careful, now ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:38 |
| spend some $$$ on an already-assembled product | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:14 |
| in for a penny, in for a pound ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:57 |
| Still easier to learn to program before bringing up first hw | Per Westermark | 11/15/11 11:26 |
I'm not so sure ... maybe we'll just have to disagree | Richard Erlacher | 11/16/11 11:32 |
| If you're really serious about this ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 14:01 |
| tools and such | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 09:58 |
| Well ... maybe your Dad can fill you in on some details | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:13 |
| re: 8052 | Andy Peters | 11/14/11 12:57 |
| Switched | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 13:18 |
| no offense, but that's incorrect. | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:24 |



