| Per Westermark 11/15/11 11:26 Read: 181 times Sweden |
#184751 - Still easier to learn to program before bringing up first hw Responding to: Richard Erlacher's previous message |
If he is interested in the electronics side, it is still way faster/easier to first learn to program so we knows how to write a working "hello world" when powering up his first own design.
Multimeter and scope are good to have. But much of their use relies on the user also being able to make the processor produce some meaningfull stimuli from the inside. Lots of processors will not spin up any external crystal oscillator if they don't get a command to do so. They start with internal RC oscillators (allowing cheaper designs for situations where you don't need exact timing - lasertrimmed RC oscillators are still fine enough for UART baudrate generation). And lots of processors starts with all I/O pins in input mode - potentially with a weak internal pull-up to avoid having the pins floating. |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| How to write programs to internal memory with RS232??? | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 00:56 |
| What processor | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 01:05 |
| And the winner is... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:13 |
| fuggetabutit | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 11:42 |
| Hmmmmmm | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 11:53 |
| sure there is | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:15 |
| Costly failure | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 12:20 |
| Well, the UV thing confuses me... | Jacob Drake | 11/11/11 12:26 |
| well, then .... | Erik Malund | 11/11/11 12:56 |
| OTP or mask-programmed | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 13:00 |
| Isn't that a clue? | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:09 |
| Wrong! It won't work with THIS part! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 14:08 |
| 8032 | Per Westermark | 11/11/11 14:39 |
| Actually ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 23:50 |
| What situation would that be? | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 05:25 |
| I think you're confusing two different parts. | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:09 |
| There's the thing! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:37 |
| It all depends on what you mean by experienced. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:54 |
| RE: It all depends on what you mean by, "experienced" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:03 |
| "Level" is such a relative term | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:35 |
| That's the reason | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:15 |
| 8032? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:47 |
| Yes - but is it worth it? | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:30 |
| It's a long, circuitous path ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:24 |
| I have an external UV EPROM | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:38 |
| If you don't know that, ... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 04:35 |
| Unless you have specific interest in vintage electronics ... | Andy Neil | 11/11/11 13:13 |
| So...I've made a decision..sorta | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 23:51 |
| One step at a time | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 00:21 |
| Any specific one though? | Jacob Drake | 11/13/11 00:28 |
| This one? | Andy Neil | 11/13/11 01:04 |
| Not this one! | Richard Erlacher | 11/11/11 13:55 |
| Hmmm, a goal? | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 00:44 |
| Wrong road! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 05:07 |
| Regarding knowledge of electronics. | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 12:57 |
| RE: "fourth grade" | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:10 |
| RE:RE:Fourth grade | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:36 |
| if the "self taught home-school class" refer to the archaric | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 08:17 |
| When throwing out bathwater, take care to retain baby... | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 10:16 |
| out of sheer nostalgia | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:44 |
| It might, in fact, be a good thing to go back farther | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 01:37 |
| Interesting | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 00:15 |
| You need to know much more about two things ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 12:51 |
| About other processors | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 13:01 |
| The prices were on the page! | Andy Neil | 11/12/11 13:07 |
| SiLabs Boards | Michael Karas | 11/12/11 13:42 |
| Integrated | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 14:57 |
| here | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 16:34 |
| Code flash not always able to replace EEPROM | Per Westermark | 11/12/11 16:56 |
| agreed | Erik Malund | 11/12/11 17:24 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Yes | Jacob Drake | 11/12/11 17:42 |
| Maybe a heretic idea... | Matthias Arndt | 11/13/11 04:44 |
| There's a problem with these ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 12:56 |
| Not for the intended purpose.... | Matthias Arndt | 11/14/11 00:49 |
| Single source | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 01:02 |
| Just another chance..... | Michael Karas | 11/14/11 04:46 |
| If you read his entire post ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:00 |
| I have six other microprocessors that i found yesterday | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 13:12 |
| Well, this is not the PIC forum ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:37 |
| I was just saying... | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 15:02 |
| 'found'stuff | Erik Malund | 11/15/11 06:31 |
| I have to agree, conditionally | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:08 |
| learning about microcontrollers | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:24 |
| Arduino is a very good choice if not going 8051 route | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 16:54 |
| Careful, now ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:38 |
| spend some $$$ on an already-assembled product | Andy Neil | 11/14/11 15:14 |
| in for a penny, in for a pound ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/15/11 10:57 |
| Still easier to learn to program before bringing up first hw | Per Westermark | 11/15/11 11:26 |
I'm not so sure ... maybe we'll just have to disagree | Richard Erlacher | 11/16/11 11:32 |
| If you're really serious about this ... | Richard Erlacher | 11/13/11 14:01 |
| tools and such | Jacob Drake | 11/14/11 09:58 |
| Well ... maybe your Dad can fill you in on some details | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:13 |
| re: 8052 | Andy Peters | 11/14/11 12:57 |
| Switched | Per Westermark | 11/14/11 13:18 |
| no offense, but that's incorrect. | Richard Erlacher | 11/14/11 13:24 |



