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Richard Erlacher
01/26/12 12:37
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Denver, Co

#185694 - Possibly, however ...
Responding to: Per Westermark's previous message
... Clearly a tragic number of incompetent people were put together onto this team. I've often made the observation that teams often cosist of six or more people are given a task, and two do the work, while the remainder fight over who will take credit. Nobody is charged with ensuring quality or even functionality until it's too late. Often the most junior, often the least competent, is charged with that.

That's evidence of bungled management from above. While there are many people involved in manufacturing and in marketing, not so many are engaged in development and testing. When a product makes it into the field, while totally non-functionaly in nearly every respect, it's not an "error." It's total breakdown of management discipline. This device was on a production-scale PCB with an on-chip DSP as well as the ARM7TDMI core, a boot-loader in flash, a High-Speed codec pair, operating at a rate they even admitted didn't belong on this board, an SDRAM channel, and support software for a LINUX implementation. Nearly nothing of that worked! No bootloader, no on-chip flash, no SDRAM ... as a result, they produced an SRAM board too small to host a LINUX implementation, making their entire development suite, which relied on LINUX, useless.

Clearly, management had gone to sleep. Even worse than that was the practice of continuing to pitch their no-longer-useable eval hardware as top-quality stuff that would support the evaluator in booting an OS by means of which he could produce end-product firmware and software. This only weeks before discontinuing delivery of the chip. Further, they discontinued the chip before notifying active customers.

It was my understanding that those several (more than the three with whom I spoke) individuals were, at my last contact with ATMEL's local representative, who, BTW, subsequently resigned, were still with ATMEL and likely to remain so. That suggests that ATMEL finds bungling of this sort totally acceptable.

THAT is why nobody I know uses ATMEL products of any sort.


List of 84 messages in thread
P89V51Rx2 and P89LPC97x/P89LPC98x discontinued      Jan Waclawek      01/20/12 06:06      
   Obsolete      Robert Bowen      01/23/12 18:08      
      in my opinion, a better idea      Erik Malund      01/24/12 06:52      
         Attitude towards customers...      Kai Klaas      01/24/12 11:28      
            the story again, since Kai forgot      Erik Malund      01/24/12 11:36      
               This is indeed a very very sad story...      Kai Klaas      01/24/12 12:01      
                  Yes, but it's a story similar to the one I told ...      Richard Erlacher      01/24/12 16:40      
                     The problem is...      Kai Klaas      01/24/12 18:33      
                        the problem is different      Erik Malund      01/25/12 07:13      
                        That's true and correct, BUT ...      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:49      
                           So I did!      Kai Klaas      01/25/12 10:11      
                              my take      Erik Malund      01/25/12 10:46      
                                 But...      Kai Klaas      01/25/12 11:19      
                                    sure I cam      Erik Malund      01/25/12 11:51      
                                    Look to the future      David Prentice      01/25/12 11:54      
                                       I will, when ....      Erik Malund      01/25/12 12:11      
                                       This wasn't a single person ... it was a whole team      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 22:26      
                                          I guess 2 or 3 idiots...      Kai Klaas      01/26/12 05:39      
                                             I spoke with more than that ...      Richard Erlacher      01/26/12 08:32      
                                                I also think few people where to blame      Per Westermark      01/26/12 09:33      
                                                   Possibly, however ...      Richard Erlacher      01/26/12 12:37      
                                                      Your only memory?      Per Westermark      01/27/12 02:35      
                                                         No ... but it's the only ATMEL project I've been in.      Richard Erlacher      01/27/12 07:54      
                                                         re repeats      Erik Malund      01/27/12 09:31      
                                                            Not exactly ... but ...      Richard Erlacher      01/27/12 14:54      
                                    Why not?      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 22:25      
               In US or Denmark?      Per Westermark      01/24/12 12:19      
                  maybe, but      Erik Malund      01/24/12 12:33      
                  $10E7 would not be enough      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:54      
            Guess what! ... I don't use NXP either.      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:52      
         Silicon Labs      Robert Bowen      01/24/12 18:34      
            P89C668 replacement      Jan Waclawek      01/25/12 02:53      
               Tekmos      Robert Bowen      01/25/12 05:10      
                  IDE choice      Erik Malund      01/25/12 07:21      
                  re: IDE      Andy Peters      01/25/12 15:41      
            re switching to SILabs      Erik Malund      01/25/12 10:22      
            re: Silicon Labs      Andy Peters      01/25/12 15:39      
               I have seeen very few EOLs f...      Erik Malund      01/26/12 06:30      
         "SILabs are not making ARMs" - No Longer True!      Andy Neil      03/30/12 17:21      
      I wouldn't rely on Atmel for 8051s...      Andy Neil      03/30/12 17:27      
         Atmel AT89LP51ID2 is a rew release      Jim Granville      03/30/12 18:11      
            Yes, but...      Andy Neil      03/31/12 06:28      
               Interesting      Per Westermark      03/31/12 07:08      
                  They can't even do one well!      David Prentice      03/31/12 08:19      
               AT89LP Developer Studio      Jim Granville      03/31/12 14:51      
                  AT89LP Studio is a joke      David Prentice      03/31/12 15:40      
                     if you want cutting edge      Erik Malund      03/31/12 18:28      
                        Depends on features      Jim Granville      03/31/12 18:52      
                           if 128k code is not enough,      Erik Malund      04/01/12 06:30      
                              Microchip/SST PC Firmware - found it!        Joe Gold      04/15/12 06:59      
                                 More      Steve M. Taylor      04/15/12 14:49      
                                 8051 Microchip press release      Joe Gold      04/15/12 17:55      
                                    Interesting.. GCC for the 8051?!      Valentin Angelovski      04/16/12 01:16      
   P89xV51xD2 replacement?      Jan Waclawek      01/25/12 02:32      
      C8051F020 - A new chip in town..(kinda)      Robert Bowen      01/28/12 14:24      
         a thing I do when developing with the 12x/13x      Erik Malund      01/28/12 17:54      
            I do similar for GPIO on "normal" processors      Per Westermark      01/29/12 03:03      
               SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0      Robert Bowen      02/12/12 14:28      
                  Silabs debug in Keil      Dejan Durdenic      02/12/12 14:46      
                     SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0      Robert Bowen      02/12/12 16:16      
                        why?      Erik Malund      02/12/12 19:13      
                           Keil vs SiLabs      Robert Bowen      02/13/12 04:34      
                              SiLabs vs anyone      Erik Malund      02/13/12 07:02      
                                 SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0      Robert Bowen      02/13/12 07:31      
                                    there is a window for that      Erik Malund      02/13/12 07:37      
                                    SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0      Robert Bowen      02/13/12 07:39      
                                       SiLabs IDE      Robert Bowen      02/13/12 08:07      
                                          please stop hijacking this thread      Jan Waclawek      02/13/12 08:16      
                                             hijack, maybe      Erik Malund      02/13/12 09:01      
                                          if I recall      Erik Malund      02/13/12 08:59      
         C8051F020 is old, better is C8015F58x      Jim Granville      02/14/12 23:13      
            then look out      Erik Malund      02/15/12 09:16      
      SST89E516R as P89V51 replacement      Bert Van Den Berg      02/14/12 11:05      
         SST89 bootloader      Jan Waclawek      02/14/12 12:55      
            Microchip, obviously, wanted ...      Erik Malund      02/14/12 13:07      
               quite obviously :-)      Jan Waclawek      02/14/12 16:19      
         SST89E516R as P89V51 replacement      Jim Granville      02/14/12 23:25      
            Bootloader for SST MCUs      Phil Bromley      03/07/12 01:46      
               SST Bootloader and Windows 7      Phil Bromley      03/08/12 08:45      
                  SST 89E516RD2 bootloader, EasyISP      Bert Van Den Berg      03/08/12 10:30      
                     EasyIAP      Phil Bromley      03/09/12 02:19      
                        why in 2 steps?      Jan Waclawek      03/09/12 06:01      
                           One step to 7      Phil Bromley      03/12/12 03:06      
   Nuvoton now have a replacement list      Jim Granville      03/30/12 16:37      

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