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Kai Klaas
12/01/12 18:25
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#188938 - Characteristic for in system programmable flash micros...
Responding to: Daniel Contarino's previous message
Hi Daniel,

what you have observed is typical for all in system programmable flash micros unfortunately. Power up and power down cycles without proper reset, over- and undervoltage conditions on Vcc and any other pin, even of very short duration can accidentally invoke the automatic in-system-programming micro routines internally of micro resulting in a destroyed or corrupted flash code memory.

You should control the rise and fall time of power up and power down. You should allow Vcc to reach 0V before a new power up, especially if the internal power-on-reset and brown-out-reset circuitry is used. And you should shield and filter the whole micro controller circuit so that no harmful over- and undervoltage events or radiation or static fields can reach the pins of micro. Put a Faraday cage arround the micro to even eliminate the bad effects of electrostatic influence and filter all lines running to and from the pins.

Electronic industry is making us believe that microcontrolles become more and more powerful and less and less susceptible to EMI. But the opposite is true. The more the geometries on the die shrink the more the micro becomes susceptible to EMI. And finally the simple touch of a finger is enough to make the house of cards collapse.

To be honest, it's kind of shock to me, that it's a Silab's micro that shows such a behaviour...

Kai Klaas


List of 33 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
C8051F231 experiences      Daniel Contarino      11/30/12 14:43      
   another solution      Erik Malund      11/30/12 15:11      
   The probabilities are low...      Daniel Contarino      11/30/12 18:34      
      think about what happens when you add a finger      Richard Erlacher      11/30/12 22:55      
         The point is ...      Daniel Contarino      12/01/12 03:08      
            Yes ... the underlying issue is the flash ...       Richard Erlacher      12/01/12 11:28      
               Out of my office, but...      Daniel Contarino      12/01/12 14:05      
                  Don't think in Vcc, ESD or hum...      Daniel Contarino      12/02/12 09:24      
   Apparently several C8051F2xx parts have the same pinout      Richard Erlacher      12/01/12 14:25      
   Characteristic for in system programmable flash micros...      Kai Klaas      12/01/12 18:25      
      All too true ... sadly ...       Richard Erlacher      12/01/12 20:13      
         Power-on slope rate...      Kai Klaas      12/02/12 05:31      
            Sorry, my post should be here, no up there...      Daniel Contarino      12/02/12 09:58      
            Have you any basis for that rate?      Richard Erlacher      12/02/12 10:15      
               Vdd ramp time      Maarten Brock      12/03/12 06:15      
               Some datasheets show numbers...      Kai Klaas      12/03/12 07:05      
                  Those aren't the "usual" 805x-core MCU's      Richard Erlacher      12/03/12 17:43      
                     There aren't many "usual" 8051-cores anymore...      Kai Klaas      12/03/12 18:13      
                        How dangerous power ups can be...      Kai Klaas      12/04/12 06:20      
                           I believe it      Richard Erlacher      12/04/12 08:59      
                              (dV/dt) examples      Jim Granville      12/04/12 13:14      
                                 They don't know it either...      Kai Klaas      12/04/12 18:49      
                                    dV/dT etc       Jim Granville      12/04/12 21:39      
                                       reset request...      Kai Klaas      12/05/12 06:21      
                                          That's what disturbs me greatly      Richard Erlacher      12/06/12 00:19      
                                             It IS disturbing!      Kai Klaas      12/06/12 08:02      
                                                Where this began ... at least for me ...       Richard Erlacher      12/06/12 09:43      
                                                   So, you took the hard road...      Kai Klaas      12/06/12 10:41      
                                                      We've all had that experience       Richard Erlacher      12/06/12 16:23      
   probable cause      Brent Wilson      02/04/13 20:32      
      Brent, this is very nice      Erik Malund      02/05/13 06:38      
         forum no longer down      Maarten Brock      02/05/13 07:33      
      Thank you!      Daniel Contarino      02/05/13 15:04      

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