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Richard Erlacher
03/14/06 17:37
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Denver, Co
USA


 
#112196 - I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...
Responding to: Ian Bell's previous message
About 20 years ago, I engaged a senior faculty member and one of his graduate students to handle the documentation and design as well as first-pass prototyping of a project for one of my clients.

They seemed to be progressing adequately, based on their discusisons, but, upon reaching the first milestone, a completed objective specification, it became apparent that they had no idea at all of how one should proceed to get from one end of a job, any job, to the other.

After paying them and telling them the job had changed in character and their help was no longer needed, I hired a high-school studen some 15 years old to do the job, and he completed it admirably, including the paperwork in three days of a long weekend.

Since then I've been suspicious of academia, as the "lofty premise" oft-discussed there, seems to be a counterproductive medium in the real world. I once mentioned that I recently was disappointed in my effort to hire two guys, and having interviewed six guys who demonstrated that they could, despite their extensive credentials, neither read adequately to comprehend a magazine article, nor write down what they'd seen when the process described in the article was demonstrated to them, ended up doing my own work and that of the two guys we never hired for about a year.

The problem is that many of the professors now in the hallowed halls of academia have no experience in the "real" world at all.

When I went to school, both undergraduate and graduate, my professors and instructors, as well as laboratory supervisors, librarians, and, probably, janitors and cooks, were all experienced in the world of industry, having numerous accomplishments to their credit. That's no longer the case. In our public school system, teachers advance, not by learning something relevant to real-life experiences, but only by taking more courses in education. As a result, our young are taught to be teachers, and little else.

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TopicAuthorDate
Fresh graduates Job interview      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:27      
   well....      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:31      
      Experience      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:42      
         Another approach      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:48      
            watch the fora      Erik Malund      03/14/06 14:55      
               another case      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 15:02      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 17:37      
            exactly      Jez Smith      03/15/06 08:42      
   Grades      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:34      
      thats not the case at all      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:37      
         you are right      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:43      
      Not really      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:40      
         The answer is      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:45      
            qualifications      Ian Bell      03/14/06 16:31      
               Natural Selection?      Andy Neil      03/14/06 17:42      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav      Erik Malund      03/15/06 06:41      
   candidates for what job?      Neil Kurzman      03/14/06 20:08      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 22:37      
      Wide range of Jobs      Mahmood Elnasser      03/15/06 11:58      
         generalists      Steve M. Taylor      03/15/06 16:00      
            People Shapes      Ian Bell      03/15/06 16:26      
         There are problems      Richard Erlacher      03/15/06 22:35      
            Not university fault      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 00:42      
               most universitys      Jez Smith      03/16/06 01:08      
               Very true mr Richard      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:22      
               I'm not sure that's true.        Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 09:00      
                  Thats life      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:21      
                     Bosses don't      Jeff Post      03/16/06 14:46      
                        Consent      Ian Bell      03/16/06 15:52      
                        Try not to step in the management      Jez Smith      03/16/06 16:03      
                           Technical management      Jeff Post      03/16/06 22:50      
                              The best bosses I've had ...      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 23:55      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t      Erik Malund      03/17/06 06:36      
                     You're right, of course, That's life      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 15:54      
                  Technical Guru      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:48      
                  Usefull      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:50      
                     mgt!      Andy Peters      03/16/06 16:39      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        sure you can - and you have to      Erik Malund      03/17/06 07:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule      Ian Bell      03/17/06 11:13      
                           Lets face it      Mahmood Elnasser      03/17/06 12:04      
                              Pet topic      Steve M. Taylor      03/17/06 15:02      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 16:34      
                                    the reverse      Erik Malund      03/18/06 10:18      
                                    Hmmm..      Steve M. Taylor      03/18/06 14:19      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:46      
                                       One more thing ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:57      
                                          that piano player      Terry Lingle      03/19/06 09:29      
                                          Experience      Ian Bell      03/19/06 13:45      
                                             Paraphrase      Steve M. Taylor      03/19/06 14:01      
                                                old generation      Mahmood Elnasser      03/19/06 14:15      
                                                Et tu Brute?      Ian Bell      03/19/06 14:29      
   contd....      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:27      
      Degree or no degree      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 08:10      
         who? what? and another      Erik Malund      03/16/06 08:18      
            and a theif!      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:25      
            And      Steve M. Taylor      03/16/06 10:05      
               Read all about it...      Graham Cole      03/20/06 03:23      
   he never said they would make good bosse      Erik Malund      03/16/06 15:31      
   I cannot belive      Nikhil Arora      03/18/06 04:06      
   Shocking!!      Kai Klaas      03/18/06 07:07      
   Good news :)      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 11:28      
      Well, the REAL good news ...      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:13      
         mmm      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 12:24      
            Well, that IS good news!      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:51      

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