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Richard Erlacher
03/14/06 22:37
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Denver, Co
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#112204 - Well ... back when I was a student ...
Responding to: Neil Kurzman's previous message
Now, I wasn't in engineering school, being a math type, but the engineering undergraduate I've conversed with since then, have all told me that they had to build their own processor during what's essentially a "programming languages and processors" course, and not a "canned" design, but one for which they first had to design a machine (assembly) language and a compiler, and write/debug/document them so they could prove everything works. Not all students succeed in this effort, but they have an entire semester to do it. They could probably get through the task without learning what a transistor is and how it works, but I'm quite sure they learned about soldering, wire-wrapping, or whatever their technique of choice for assembling the thing was. They also learned about databooks, and the like, since they had to figure out what sorts of parts to use and how to wire them. Presumably, they had already learned about constructing programs in regimented programming language training, probably 'C' these days, but typically Fortran when I was in school.

I've met professional engineers, some of them quite capable in their respective roles, who couldn't do that. There are several reasons, among which are the inability to plan ahead sufficiently to be able to adhere to a plan for 4 months, lack of application to one or another phase of the task, which problem was probably mitigated by the fact that this project is typically done by two or more persons as a team, and a severe distaste for the discipline that design and implementation of either hardware or software, and I think software requires more of it, to enable one to do that part of the work. Nonethess, just as the folks who didn't succeed in getting their project to work often passed the course, such individuals can make substantial contributions to a major engineering task. Unfortunately, you can seldom prove that from college transcritps or letters form the department head.

For many, going to college is a way to postpone having to make one's own way. When I was a student, some people thought it was a good way to avoid military service, which, back then, could prove quite hazardous. Today, it would seem it's just a way to keep from having to do something useful for a few more years.

Judging from the fresh graduates I frequently encounter, I'd say it will be some time before they're able to do much of anything useful.

RE




List of 66 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Fresh graduates Job interview      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:27      
   well....      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:31      
      Experience      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:42      
         Another approach      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:48      
            watch the fora      Erik Malund      03/14/06 14:55      
               another case      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 15:02      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 17:37      
            exactly      Jez Smith      03/15/06 08:42      
   Grades      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:34      
      thats not the case at all      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:37      
         you are right      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:43      
      Not really      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:40      
         The answer is      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:45      
            qualifications      Ian Bell      03/14/06 16:31      
               Natural Selection?      Andy Neil      03/14/06 17:42      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav      Erik Malund      03/15/06 06:41      
   candidates for what job?      Neil Kurzman      03/14/06 20:08      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 22:37      
      Wide range of Jobs      Mahmood Elnasser      03/15/06 11:58      
         generalists      Steve M. Taylor      03/15/06 16:00      
            People Shapes      Ian Bell      03/15/06 16:26      
         There are problems      Richard Erlacher      03/15/06 22:35      
            Not university fault      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 00:42      
               most universitys      Jez Smith      03/16/06 01:08      
               Very true mr Richard      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:22      
               I'm not sure that's true.        Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 09:00      
                  Thats life      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:21      
                     Bosses don't      Jeff Post      03/16/06 14:46      
                        Consent      Ian Bell      03/16/06 15:52      
                        Try not to step in the management      Jez Smith      03/16/06 16:03      
                           Technical management      Jeff Post      03/16/06 22:50      
                              The best bosses I've had ...      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 23:55      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t      Erik Malund      03/17/06 06:36      
                     You're right, of course, That's life      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 15:54      
                  Technical Guru      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:48      
                  Usefull      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:50      
                     mgt!      Andy Peters      03/16/06 16:39      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        sure you can - and you have to      Erik Malund      03/17/06 07:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule      Ian Bell      03/17/06 11:13      
                           Lets face it      Mahmood Elnasser      03/17/06 12:04      
                              Pet topic      Steve M. Taylor      03/17/06 15:02      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 16:34      
                                    the reverse      Erik Malund      03/18/06 10:18      
                                    Hmmm..      Steve M. Taylor      03/18/06 14:19      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:46      
                                       One more thing ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:57      
                                          that piano player      Terry Lingle      03/19/06 09:29      
                                          Experience      Ian Bell      03/19/06 13:45      
                                             Paraphrase      Steve M. Taylor      03/19/06 14:01      
                                                old generation      Mahmood Elnasser      03/19/06 14:15      
                                                Et tu Brute?      Ian Bell      03/19/06 14:29      
   contd....      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:27      
      Degree or no degree      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 08:10      
         who? what? and another      Erik Malund      03/16/06 08:18      
            and a theif!      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:25      
            And      Steve M. Taylor      03/16/06 10:05      
               Read all about it...      Graham Cole      03/20/06 03:23      
   he never said they would make good bosse      Erik Malund      03/16/06 15:31      
   I cannot belive      Nikhil Arora      03/18/06 04:06      
   Shocking!!      Kai Klaas      03/18/06 07:07      
   Good news :)      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 11:28      
      Well, the REAL good news ...      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:13      
         mmm      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 12:24      
            Well, that IS good news!      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:51      

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