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Richard Erlacher
03/16/06 09:00
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Denver, Co
USA


 
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#112313 - I'm not sure that's true.
Responding to: Mahmood Elnasser's previous message
The universities, at least here in the U.S, are pretty focused on becoming independent profit centers. Take, for example, their emphasis on athletics such as football and basketball. They spend millions in order to generate that large volume of revenue. Now, the net benefit to the university is generally negative, but, they, the regents, presidents, etc, can claim that they're managing much more money, hence, deserve a share of it, and that fattens them, but the trend over the past two decades has been that fewer professors are involved either in teaching or in independent research.

When I was an undergraduate, it was a privilege to sit in a lecture hall with a Nobel laureate lecturing to us about a subject in which I didn't realize I had any interest. It truly changed my views about a number of subject areas. Today, few undergraduates even see a professor, let alone sit in daily lectures by a Nobel prize winner. What they do today, I guess is raise money for the university.

I've never understood the general philosophy that, for one thing, the "boss" has to earn more than the engineers under his management. As I recall, the boss had no problem putting his most junior engineer in charge of the most valuable asset their company owns, namely their mainframe computer, which, back then, cost multiple millions of dollars, and that was back when a dollar was a Dollar, and not just the price of a candy bar.

What I find disturbing these days is that a young engineer comes into an organization at a junior level and takes part in an ongoing engineering effort. If he's found to be useful, then he's allowed to participate, else he's relegated to fetching coffee, meeting with salesmen, and other meaningless tasks. If he's been useful, he's assigned a more significant role on the next project. When that's completed, assuming he's still shown he's worth keeping, he's put at the head of a team on the next project. After that, he's no longer an engineer, but is promoted into a management role, where he'll never do another useful thing as long as he lives. This is not only punishment to a "real" engineer, but it fails to allow him to gain sufficient experience to be a decent engineer, and, of course, it puts him in a role he would probably not, on his own, have chosen. I don't think this is an adequate way to manage engineering talent, nor do I find it a good way to select managers.

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List of 66 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Fresh graduates Job interview      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:27      
   well....      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:31      
      Experience      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:42      
         Another approach      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:48      
            watch the fora      Erik Malund      03/14/06 14:55      
               another case      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 15:02      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 17:37      
            exactly      Jez Smith      03/15/06 08:42      
   Grades      Ian Bell      03/14/06 14:34      
      thats not the case at all      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:37      
         you are right      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:43      
      Not really      Mahmood Elnasser      03/14/06 14:40      
         The answer is      Jez Smith      03/14/06 14:45      
            qualifications      Ian Bell      03/14/06 16:31      
               Natural Selection?      Andy Neil      03/14/06 17:42      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav      Erik Malund      03/15/06 06:41      
   candidates for what job?      Neil Kurzman      03/14/06 20:08      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...      Richard Erlacher      03/14/06 22:37      
      Wide range of Jobs      Mahmood Elnasser      03/15/06 11:58      
         generalists      Steve M. Taylor      03/15/06 16:00      
            People Shapes      Ian Bell      03/15/06 16:26      
         There are problems      Richard Erlacher      03/15/06 22:35      
            Not university fault      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 00:42      
               most universitys      Jez Smith      03/16/06 01:08      
               Very true mr Richard      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:22      
               I'm not sure that's true.        Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 09:00      
                  Thats life      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:21      
                     Bosses don't      Jeff Post      03/16/06 14:46      
                        Consent      Ian Bell      03/16/06 15:52      
                        Try not to step in the management      Jez Smith      03/16/06 16:03      
                           Technical management      Jeff Post      03/16/06 22:50      
                              The best bosses I've had ...      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 23:55      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t      Erik Malund      03/17/06 06:36      
                     You're right, of course, That's life      Richard Erlacher      03/16/06 15:54      
                  Technical Guru      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:48      
                  Usefull      Ian Bell      03/16/06 09:50      
                     mgt!      Andy Peters      03/16/06 16:39      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 00:08      
                        sure you can - and you have to      Erik Malund      03/17/06 07:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule      Ian Bell      03/17/06 11:13      
                           Lets face it      Mahmood Elnasser      03/17/06 12:04      
                              Pet topic      Steve M. Taylor      03/17/06 15:02      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...      Richard Erlacher      03/17/06 16:34      
                                    the reverse      Erik Malund      03/18/06 10:18      
                                    Hmmm..      Steve M. Taylor      03/18/06 14:19      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:46      
                                       One more thing ...      Richard Erlacher      03/18/06 16:57      
                                          that piano player      Terry Lingle      03/19/06 09:29      
                                          Experience      Ian Bell      03/19/06 13:45      
                                             Paraphrase      Steve M. Taylor      03/19/06 14:01      
                                                old generation      Mahmood Elnasser      03/19/06 14:15      
                                                Et tu Brute?      Ian Bell      03/19/06 14:29      
   contd....      Saif Ullah Khalid      03/16/06 01:27      
      Degree or no degree      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 08:10      
         who? what? and another      Erik Malund      03/16/06 08:18      
            and a theif!      Mahmood Elnasser      03/16/06 09:25      
            And      Steve M. Taylor      03/16/06 10:05      
               Read all about it...      Graham Cole      03/20/06 03:23      
   he never said they would make good bosse      Erik Malund      03/16/06 15:31      
   I cannot belive      Nikhil Arora      03/18/06 04:06      
   Shocking!!      Kai Klaas      03/18/06 07:07      
   Good news :)      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 11:28      
      Well, the REAL good news ...      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:13      
         mmm      Mahmood Elnasser      03/23/06 12:24      
            Well, that IS good news!      Richard Erlacher      03/23/06 12:51      

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