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Per Westermark
02/03/12 05:38
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#185792 - No, depends on knowledge/experience of people implementing
Responding to: Erik Malund's previous message
No, the ISO standards aren't a joke.

But they are only a way to document your routines. So ISO 9001 isn't worth more than the people who spends time analyzing routines and documenting them based on what is important.

If the important steps are documented, and the process can measure the outcome of the process, then you can pick up whatever deviations there are and figure out how to constantly improve your processes.

Because of this, ISO 9001 will always be a waste of time if the people driving the introduction of it, and responsible for the maintainance, don't have the experience to realize that the main criteria for quality is knowledge and experience. And that a ISO 9001 routine will only be a good routine if it is able to document some of that experience in a way that other people can follow a "good path" when doing their work.

You can document how to clean or fill the coffee machine. But it will not much help the company to improve.

List of 60 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Finally we found what made US and Europe in crisis      JecksonS Ben      01/20/12 01:00      
   Really?      Jez Smith      01/20/12 14:22      
      Rice Crispies      Neil Kurzman      01/20/12 17:49      
         Yeah..      Jez Smith      01/21/12 01:37      
            Once I heard her say ...      Richard Erlacher      01/21/12 11:29      
               Gifted      Per Westermark      01/21/12 12:54      
               I have found someone worse      Jez Smith      01/22/12 15:17      
                  I don't know what this guy's "issue" is ...      Richard Erlacher      01/22/12 18:55      
                     Ouch      Per Westermark      01/22/12 20:43      
                        His Way...      Michael Karas      01/22/12 21:51      
                           That's not quite the case ...      Richard Erlacher      01/22/12 22:40      
                              works here      JecksonS Ben      01/23/12 07:35      
                     We have a solution      Jez Smith      01/24/12 14:04      
                        Glue?        Rob Klein      01/25/12 06:16      
                           re: Soylent Green      Andy Peters      01/25/12 15:43      
                        sorry! ... multi-post      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:58      
                        Now, if they'd just apply that filter to politicians ...      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:58      
                        Oops! ...      Richard Erlacher      01/25/12 08:58      
               I am a goon....      Jez Smith      01/29/12 11:48      
                  Maybe you could illustrate what you mean?      Richard Erlacher      01/29/12 12:42      
                     I don't know but      Jez Smith      01/29/12 15:05      
                        It's like entropy ...      Richard Erlacher      01/29/12 19:16      
                           The thing is...      Jez Smith      01/29/12 23:49      
                              I have to agree ... Americans are doing it to themselves      Richard Erlacher      01/30/12 08:39      
                           Simplifications        Per Westermark      01/30/12 03:57      
                              We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess ...      Richard Erlacher      01/30/12 10:45      
                                 Still not a quality issue but a hunger for more        Per Westermark      01/30/12 11:30      
                                    live for life      Stefan KAnev      01/30/12 12:33      
                                       Perhaps someone will pay you to "live your life"      Richard Erlacher      01/31/12 19:49      
                                    Yes, and therein lies the fatal flaw      Richard Erlacher      01/31/12 20:16      
                                       just buy new one      Stefan KAnev      01/31/12 22:09      
                                          ISO9001/2000?        Erik Malund      02/01/12 06:56      
                                             agree      Stefan KAnev      02/01/12 07:13      
                                             No, depends on knowledge/experience of people implementing      Per Westermark      02/03/12 05:38      
                                                DO we need ISO?      JecksonS Ben      02/03/12 05:44      
                                          It's up to the buyer ...      Richard Erlacher      02/01/12 08:09      
                                             Still thinking price implies quality      Per Westermark      02/03/12 06:24      
                                       Wal-Mart TVs      Andy Peters      02/02/12 10:38      
                                          Yes, SONY, SAMSUNG, TOSHIBA, etc, all do it ...      Richard Erlacher      02/02/12 21:18      
                                          Foxconn...      JecksonS Ben      02/03/12 05:34      
                                             It's because of their scale      Richard Erlacher      02/03/12 10:02      
                                                Large scale      JecksonS Ben      02/05/12 04:00      
                                                   Quite so, but there's room for improvement      Richard Erlacher      02/05/12 09:46      
                                                      why You expect this?      Stefan KAnev      02/05/12 13:02      
                                                         Perhaps you're right      Richard Erlacher      02/05/12 18:53      
                                                            Already happening      Per Westermark      02/05/12 19:42      
                                                               they sleep      JecksonS Ben      02/06/12 01:44      
                                                                  I thought Indonesia was ahead of the PRC in wages ...      Richard Erlacher      02/06/12 08:52      
                                                                     The url blocked      JecksonS Ben      02/10/12 05:00      
                                                                  ^%$#@! Double post ... again! Sorry      Richard Erlacher      02/06/12 08:52      
                                                            PRC and US corruption      JecksonS Ben      02/06/12 01:35      
                                                               Maybe you could explain ...      Richard Erlacher      02/06/12 09:02      
                                                                  smooth criminals      JecksonS Ben      02/10/12 05:02      
                                                      at baby time....      JecksonS Ben      02/06/12 01:28      
            krispies      Andy Peters      01/24/12 10:18      
         As i see it..      Jez Smith      01/21/12 01:45      
      I'm wrong...      JecksonS Ben      01/21/12 08:18      
      SOPA/PIPA      Andy Peters      01/24/12 10:25      
         about that "freedom of speech" thing ...      Richard Erlacher      01/24/12 16:49      
   Brilliance      Joseph Hebert      01/24/12 05:30      

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