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Richard Erlacher
03/01/12 23:26
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Denver, Co
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#186343 - All the ones I inteviewed had jobs elsewhere ...
Responding to: Per Westermark's previous message
Per Westermark said:
And I have written so many times that that claim is most probably not true.

It wouldn't have happened so often if it were totally untrue.

Long time ago, you played with the military and got to see the best students. Not anymore. But you assume that the desperate people who run around looking for job are representative, while missing that the best people probably had their job fixed before they even graduated.


The big and interesting companies/organizations are actively head-hunting students. And students who don't get head-hunted often decide to look for work in bigger companies where they can progress up through the organization until they reach the limit of their (in)competence. So people looking for job with small employers are often the more desperate ones - don't assume that they are representative of "today's students".

I'd guess they head for the safety of large companies where they can easily hide their incompetence.

Look at the second answer "The trouble with youngsters today..." at
http://askville.amazon.com/Speech-Yo...Id=5088801

The complains about youth en masse is the sign of someone who have gotten old, and forgotten what life once was.
In reality, individual people can be very lazy, stupid, ... but humanity will not suddenly change in intelligence in just a couple of tens of years. It's the view of the observer that is changing during these years. Yes, Richard. It's your view that is slowly drifting.

It's the fact that so many people believe that, that makes it so tragic.

The only really troubling thing, when talking about students, is that the student/school interrelation hasn't had time to adapt fully to a world with Internet. It doesn't make students more stupid, but some students gets into serious trouble because the school fails to make them aware of the difference between learning something and understand it, and being able to google for a magic turn-key solution. So we get lots of students trying to use web forums to cheat on their school work. That is a conceptual problem that will probably be reduced when the school system have adapted and most of the teachers are also born into the internet world. To a big part, it's a failure of school. A teacher needs more experience than a student to be able to do a good job - so what happens when teachers have lacking experience with Internet? After all - we existing developers do our work differently now than 20 years ago because of Internet. So it's reasonable that school classes should also adapt.

What I do remember about teachers and professors when I was in school and in college, is that all of them had done some sort of non-academic and useful work at some point in their lives. Some had worked to put themselves through college, while others had served in the military during the wars. They has some grasp of what life requires. They knew the value of work.

Today's teachers and professors, well, not so much ... <sigh> ...

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List of 10 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
stupid interview      Jez Smith      03/01/12 02:43      
   hmm message not useful you say?      Jez Smith      03/01/12 02:51      
      Chat forum      Per Westermark      03/01/12 04:17      
   It's what I've been saying for many years ...      Richard Erlacher      03/01/12 06:47      
      Individuals are not automagically representative of society      Per Westermark      03/01/12 07:12      
         no, but      Erik Malund      03/01/12 08:37      
         All the ones I inteviewed had jobs elsewhere ...      Richard Erlacher      03/01/12 23:26      
            Still progress      Per Westermark      03/02/12 03:00      
               The problem is        Jez Smith      03/04/12 23:25      
                  many examples seen here and elsewhere      Erik Malund      03/05/12 06:42      

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