| Joseph Hebert 04/16/12 09:42 Read: 393 times Okemah, Ok United States |
#187178 - Congratulations Responding to: Mahmood Elnasser's previous message |
Hi Mahmood,
Congratulations. I too use a machine to produce boards, an LPKF C60. So I can tell you from experience that Oliver is correct on both counts. Breaking the tools is part of the learning curve, as is learning that pushing them past their functional lifetime is more costly than thrifty. Also, you can indeed get a lot of boards made for the cost of the machine. Moreover, the consumables you will use making your own boards are not free. That means that you are probably never going to realize any savings over the lifetime of the machine. But don't take this as cause to be discouraged. There are other reasons to make your own boards. I have two. One is to keep proprietary information proprietary. The other is to get my boards when I need them. The turnaround time for outsourced boards is either weeks, or the cost is exorbitant. In fact, when done using the cost of comparable turnaround times, the CNC machine cost analysis becomes quite favorable. There are a couple more things you'll need to think about in the near future, and Oliver pointed at them with his comment about plated through holes. You will need to look into your options for providing continuity between layers. If you only do two layers, it's technically possible to solder jumpers through the vias and holes, but with high part/via counts it becomes very impractical. As long as you don't go more than 6 layers you can use a conductive paste or epoxy to "plate" your through holes. For more than 6 layers (fewer with high aspect ratio holes) and you will need to set up to do electroplating. Of course, if you do more than 2 layers you'll have to set up a lamination press. Finally, you are going to need to set up to apply a solder mask, especially if you are making boards with fine pitch parts. It's just not practically optional. Let me know if you run into any problems I can help with. Been there done that, as they say. Good luck. Joe |
| Topic | Author | Date |
| CNC | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/14/12 10:43 |
| Enjoy :) | Oliver Sedlacek | 04/16/12 04:14 |
| Having fun | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/17/12 13:53 |
| Congratulations | Joseph Hebert | 04/16/12 09:42 |
| We looked at buying one of those | Jez Smith | 04/16/12 14:09 |
| Me Either! | Joseph Hebert | 04/16/12 14:17 |
| We use a variety | Jez Smith | 04/17/12 00:50 |
| do not be lazy,Mr.Smith | Stefan KAnev | 04/17/12 11:28 |
| prototype cost and turnaround | Joseph Hebert | 04/17/12 13:31 |
| I'll find the ads | Erik Malund | 04/17/12 14:14 |
| googled | Erik Malund | 04/17/12 14:22 |
| Ebay deal | Steve M. Taylor | 04/17/12 15:08 |
| What about this one then... | Robert Revens | 04/25/12 12:59 |
| Follow up on prototype board shops | Joseph Hebert | 06/22/12 08:41 |
| international pcb houses | Mahmood Elnasser | 06/22/12 14:13 |
| PCB Houses | Joseph Hebert | 06/22/12 16:55 |
| working out of town | Erik Malund | 04/17/12 07:20 |
| CNC bits | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/25/12 06:37 |
| answering | Joseph Hebert | 04/25/12 11:38 |
| it happens | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/25/12 14:51 |
| what other tools required? | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/25/12 15:00 |
| a new trick zeroing Z axis | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/26/12 12:26 |
| Z ref | Steve M. Taylor | 04/26/12 13:10 |
| Collet type | Mahmood Elnasser | 06/22/12 14:27 |
| Z axis reference | Mahmood Elnasser | 07/02/12 01:40 |
| Vacuum | Per Westermark | 07/02/12 02:35 |
| this sort of thing happens often, from my experience | Richard Erlacher | 05/01/12 07:38 |
| ctrl+A, crtl+C, submit | David Brown | 09/19/12 01:34 |
| tools | Joseph Hebert | 04/26/12 14:11 |
| holding the PCB | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/27/12 00:27 |
| Holding the PCB | Joseph Hebert | 04/27/12 14:06 |
| Carbon steel? | Per Westermark | 04/27/12 20:16 |
| Not tungsten carbide | Joseph Hebert | 04/28/12 16:37 |
| Just carbide is a bit lazy slang for tungsten carbide | Per Westermark | 04/28/12 21:41 |
| If you say so. | Joseph Hebert | 04/28/12 22:30 |
| Plate through holes | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/28/12 11:05 |
| plating holes | Joseph Hebert | 04/28/12 16:46 |
| plated through holes cont. | Joseph Hebert | 04/28/12 22:37 |
| 2 point registration system | Mahmood Elnasser | 04/30/12 14:27 |
| Need not be exactly in middle. | Per Westermark | 04/30/12 16:05 |
| is it that simple? | Mahmood Elnasser | 05/01/12 00:27 |
| 2-pin registration | Joseph Hebert | 04/30/12 23:40 |
| Fine pitch milling | Joseph Hebert | 05/01/12 23:54 |
| Solder Mask | Mahmood Elnasser | 05/02/12 10:28 |
| solder mask and legend | Joseph Hebert | 05/02/12 11:47 |
| too much work | Mahmood Elnasser | 05/02/12 15:54 |
| Much work | Joseph Hebert | 05/06/12 15:50 |
| My CNC | Steve M. Taylor | 05/07/12 06:57 |
| Is That... | Michael Karas | 05/07/12 10:30 |
| which cad did you use? | Mahmood Elnasser | 05/07/12 15:58 |
| Limit Switches | Michael Karas | 05/08/12 00:22 |
| Will do | Mahmood Elnasser | 05/08/12 10:55 |
| Little Plates | Michael Karas | 05/08/12 16:40 |
| MEchanical limit switches | Steve M. Taylor | 05/11/12 12:50 |
| Your project | Joseph Hebert | 05/10/12 06:18 |
| This: | Steve M. Taylor | 05/11/12 12:38 |
| very cool! | Joseph Hebert | 05/11/12 13:29 |
| Funnel | Michael Karas | 05/12/12 12:37 |
| Funnel ! | Steve M. Taylor | 05/13/12 13:04 |
| Lawyer or Solicitor - Not ! ! | Michael Karas | 05/13/12 15:43 |
| RIght | Steve M. Taylor | 05/14/12 12:16 |
| vacuum pick and place tool | David Brown | 09/19/12 01:29 |
| 90 degrees bits | Mahmood Elnasser | 09/14/12 04:22 |
| Z-axis depth control | Joseph Hebert | 09/15/12 22:53 |
| stepper | Mahmood Elnasser | 09/16/12 06:34 |
| z-axis control | Joseph Hebert | 09/16/12 15:37 |
| oiling | Mahmood Elnasser | 09/29/12 14:49 |
| lubrication | Joseph Hebert | 10/01/12 10:41 |
| Lube | Steve M. Taylor | 10/05/12 14:47 |
| ballscrews | Mahmood Elnasser | 10/06/12 00:21 |
| Ballscrews | Steve M. Taylor | 10/06/12 14:00 |
| Sometimes it's useful for controlling dynamics | Richard Erlacher | 10/06/12 14:08 |
| ballscrews & table slides | Joseph Hebert | 10/06/12 15:15 |
LINUXCNC | Mahmood Elnasser | 10/19/12 02:08 |



