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Joseph Hebert
05/06/12 15:50
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Okemah, Ok
United States


 
#187294 - Much work
Responding to: Mahmood Elnasser's previous message
Hi Mahmood,

I wonder how professional PCB manufacturers do so much work for so little money. I guess it is pretty much automated and they rely on mass production.


They panelize everything, and process the panels with wet processes. In the time it takes me to mill a single small board they will have etched dozens or hundreds. It's called commoditization. If you make a dollar a thousand times in an hour, you make a thousand dollars an hour.

I will never do other than single or double sided prototype on my machine because it consumes so much time and effort and chemicals equipment etc....


Don't be so sure. If you do anything beyond the absolutely simplest things possible with a -controller, you will quickly learn that you must maintain controlled impedances of your traces. And you aren't going to do that with a QFP to DIP adapter, nor will you do that without at least a ground plane.

About using your CNC as a pick and place machine, it's certainly possible to do if your machine has sufficient precision and repeatability, but you're going to need quite a vision system and the software to utilize it. I used to have a QUAD IVc pick and place machine (3,600 parts per hour, dual intelligent vision systems, laser alignment head, etc.), and I can tell you that for prototype assembly, you'll be much better off mounting a vacuum pickup tube (with a knob to move it up and down) under a microscope and just aligning the board to the parts manually. I found that for the smallest parts (0805s, the CP2102) scaling the tube down to a needle diameter is necessary to accommodate viewing the alignment.

Good luck,

Joe

List of 74 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
CNC      Mahmood Elnasser      04/14/12 10:43      
   Enjoy :)      Oliver Sedlacek      04/16/12 04:14      
      Having fun      Mahmood Elnasser      04/17/12 13:53      
   Congratulations      Joseph Hebert      04/16/12 09:42      
      We looked at buying one of those      Jez Smith      04/16/12 14:09      
         Me Either!      Joseph Hebert      04/16/12 14:17      
            We use a variety      Jez Smith      04/17/12 00:50      
               do not be lazy,Mr.Smith      Stefan KAnev      04/17/12 11:28      
               prototype cost and turnaround      Joseph Hebert      04/17/12 13:31      
                  I'll find the ads      Erik Malund      04/17/12 14:14      
                     googled      Erik Malund      04/17/12 14:22      
                        Ebay deal      Steve M. Taylor      04/17/12 15:08      
                           What about this one then...        Robert Revens      04/25/12 12:59      
                              Follow up on prototype board shops      Joseph Hebert      06/22/12 08:41      
                                 international pcb houses      Mahmood Elnasser      06/22/12 14:13      
                                    PCB Houses      Joseph Hebert      06/22/12 16:55      
            working out of town      Erik Malund      04/17/12 07:20      
      CNC bits      Mahmood Elnasser      04/25/12 06:37      
         answering      Joseph Hebert      04/25/12 11:38      
            it happens      Mahmood Elnasser      04/25/12 14:51      
               what other tools required?      Mahmood Elnasser      04/25/12 15:00      
                  a new trick zeroing Z axis      Mahmood Elnasser      04/26/12 12:26      
                     Z ref      Steve M. Taylor      04/26/12 13:10      
                        Collet type      Mahmood Elnasser      06/22/12 14:27      
                        Z axis reference      Mahmood Elnasser      07/02/12 01:40      
                           Vacuum      Per Westermark      07/02/12 02:35      
               this sort of thing happens often, from my experience      Richard Erlacher      05/01/12 07:38      
                  ctrl+A, crtl+C, submit      David Brown      09/19/12 01:34      
         tools      Joseph Hebert      04/26/12 14:11      
            holding the PCB      Mahmood Elnasser      04/27/12 00:27      
               Holding the PCB      Joseph Hebert      04/27/12 14:06      
                  Carbon steel?      Per Westermark      04/27/12 20:16      
                     Not tungsten carbide      Joseph Hebert      04/28/12 16:37      
                        Just carbide is a bit lazy slang for tungsten carbide      Per Westermark      04/28/12 21:41      
                           If you say so.      Joseph Hebert      04/28/12 22:30      
                  Plate through holes      Mahmood Elnasser      04/28/12 11:05      
                     plating holes      Joseph Hebert      04/28/12 16:46      
                     plated through holes cont.      Joseph Hebert      04/28/12 22:37      
                  2 point registration system      Mahmood Elnasser      04/30/12 14:27      
                     Need not be exactly in middle.      Per Westermark      04/30/12 16:05      
                        is it that simple?      Mahmood Elnasser      05/01/12 00:27      
                     2-pin registration      Joseph Hebert      04/30/12 23:40      
                     Fine pitch milling      Joseph Hebert      05/01/12 23:54      
                        Solder Mask      Mahmood Elnasser      05/02/12 10:28      
                           solder mask and legend      Joseph Hebert      05/02/12 11:47      
                              too much work      Mahmood Elnasser      05/02/12 15:54      
                                 Much work      Joseph Hebert      05/06/12 15:50      
                                    My CNC      Steve M. Taylor      05/07/12 06:57      
                                       Is That...      Michael Karas      05/07/12 10:30      
                                       which cad did you use?      Mahmood Elnasser      05/07/12 15:58      
                                          Limit Switches      Michael Karas      05/08/12 00:22      
                                             Will do      Mahmood Elnasser      05/08/12 10:55      
                                                Little Plates      Michael Karas      05/08/12 16:40      
                                             MEchanical limit switches      Steve M. Taylor      05/11/12 12:50      
                                       Your project      Joseph Hebert      05/10/12 06:18      
                                          This:      Steve M. Taylor      05/11/12 12:38      
                                             very cool!      Joseph Hebert      05/11/12 13:29      
                                             Funnel      Michael Karas      05/12/12 12:37      
                                                Funnel !      Steve M. Taylor      05/13/12 13:04      
                                                   Lawyer or Solicitor - Not ! !      Michael Karas      05/13/12 15:43      
                                                      RIght      Steve M. Taylor      05/14/12 12:16      
                                    vacuum pick and place tool      David Brown      09/19/12 01:29      
            90 degrees bits      Mahmood Elnasser      09/14/12 04:22      
               Z-axis depth control      Joseph Hebert      09/15/12 22:53      
                  stepper       Mahmood Elnasser      09/16/12 06:34      
                     z-axis control      Joseph Hebert      09/16/12 15:37      
   oiling      Mahmood Elnasser      09/29/12 14:49      
      lubrication      Joseph Hebert      10/01/12 10:41      
      Lube      Steve M. Taylor      10/05/12 14:47      
         ballscrews      Mahmood Elnasser      10/06/12 00:21      
            Ballscrews      Steve M. Taylor      10/06/12 14:00      
               Sometimes it's useful for controlling dynamics      Richard Erlacher      10/06/12 14:08      
            ballscrews & table slides      Joseph Hebert      10/06/12 15:15      
   LINUXCNC      Mahmood Elnasser      10/19/12 02:08      

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