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Richard Erlacher
06/10/12 11:43
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Denver, Co
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#187652 - Well, one thing at a time ...
Responding to: Mahmood Elnasser's previous message
The TEK 475 has 10-Megohm inputs, so you don't have to solve the problem there. There are special 50-ohm termination adapters that one uses with that 'scope to make it process 50-ohm signals.

It's possible that the FPGA isn't putting out what you think it is, though. Could you perhaps have overlooked something? Just because the "OK, I'm done programming now" light cycles, doesn't mean it's putting out at the pins. Perhaps if you simply reduce the frequency at the outputs to a range in which you can actually "see" them on your 475, it will build confidence in what you've got.

When I mentioned that 20 ns interval, I wasn't referring to frequency, but, rather, to a phase shift between two of the outputs, therefore allowing you to observe how your new digital instrument handles a 2 MHz signal that's shifted 20 ns from another at the same frequency. If you have four channels, it should be able to display them. How it deals with the 20, 40, and 60 ns phase shift might be illuminating. Further, you can try 40, 50, and 60 ns phase shifts as well. At some point you should see some meaningful things, possibly things even the designers didn't consider. This won't be a problem for you, in that it will simply tell you when, in the course of a project, it's time to get out the 475 and use it.

I really like FPGA and CPLD eval boards for the type of work I do, since I often have to make them do specific things for each project, but I use the older ones because (a) the old Spartan-II boards had internal tristate resources, (b) they were 5-volt tolerant, (c) they used the older DLL's which I learned to use satisfactorily a decade ago, (c) I acquired a number of CPLD boards with lots of space a decade ago, and also a number of the associated CPLD's, so I can reuse some of them as-built, for things like test pattern generation, special-purpose counters, modulator/demodulators for custom modulation schemes, encryption/decryption, etc. I have in some cases combined these with certain MCU's for really specialized applications which seem to come up again and again.

A couple of decades ago, I believe I found an op-amp from National Semiconductor that was capable of driving a 50-ohm load, but I don't recall whether it was able to support a true swing of +/- 15 volts, which I rather imagine I wanted. I'll have a look ... if I can find any of the doc's on that arbitrary waveform generator we were building at the time, to see what it was. It was a fairly wideband buffer amp, though I don't know that it reached beyond 30 MHz or so at full amplitude. The one that you might consider today is the LM6181, though it won't perform to full voltage swing beyond +/-5 volts into 50 ohms because its current is limited to 100 mA. I've not used that one myself, but a colleague has mentioned it as an adequate driver for your circumstances, provided you don't need the higher voltage swing.

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List of 74 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
DSO for cheap!      Joseph Hebert      05/11/12 13:35      
   very good      Mahmood Elnasser      05/11/12 14:14      
      Limitations      Joseph Hebert      05/12/12 09:49      
         test results      Mahmood Elnasser      05/12/12 12:46      
            That's valuable information      Joseph Hebert      05/12/12 13:30      
         well, the fact is ..      Richard Erlacher      06/03/12 11:43      
            tektronix 475 comparison      Mahmood Elnasser      06/07/12 10:37      
               Really? Why?      Richard Erlacher      06/07/12 14:51      
               another double post ... sorry      Richard Erlacher      06/07/12 14:51      
   I think ...      Erik Malund      05/11/12 14:34      
      Application dependant      Mahmood Elnasser      05/12/12 05:55      
         Indeed      Andy Neil      05/12/12 09:10      
            It's still too low a bandwidth, wouldn't you say?      Richard Erlacher      06/03/12 11:50      
   just curious, Joe could you try      Erik Malund      05/11/12 14:36      
      Unusual with short pulses for hobbyist projects      Per Westermark      05/11/12 14:53      
         is the clock running?      Erik Malund      05/11/12 16:01      
      Sorry, but no I can't.      Joseph Hebert      05/11/12 16:42      
      10nSec Pulse      Mahmood Elnasser      05/12/12 12:59      
         "at random" means what exactly ?      Jim Granville      05/13/12 18:41      
            Answers      Mahmood Elnasser      05/14/12 07:41      
               more observations      Mahmood Elnasser      06/03/12 10:51      
                  It may not be the sample rate ...      Richard Erlacher      06/07/12 15:07      
                     digital vs analog      Mahmood Elnasser      06/08/12 15:34      
                        Don't get me wrong, here ...      Richard Erlacher      06/08/12 21:34      
                           poor mans's scope      Mahmood Elnasser      06/09/12 02:01      
                              Doesn't it depend on what THEY mean by bandwidth?      Richard Erlacher      06/09/12 20:58      
                                 20 nsec steps      Mahmood Elnasser      06/09/12 23:08      
                                    Well, one thing at a time ...      Richard Erlacher      06/10/12 11:43      
                                    Impulse Tests are better      Jim Granville      06/10/12 16:49      
                                       more capable scope      Mahmood Elnasser      06/11/12 14:03      
                                          I must have missed a step ...      Richard Erlacher      06/12/12 08:07      
                                             TEK475      Mahmood Elnasser      06/12/12 16:16      
                                                here's another alternative ...      Richard Erlacher      06/12/12 22:16      
                                                   DAC and pot in parallel?      Per Westermark      06/13/12 01:07      
                                                      Logically, not physically      Richard Erlacher      06/13/12 07:57      
                                                   new theory      Mahmood Elnasser      06/14/12 00:57      
   3MHz is rather poor Bandwidth ?      Jim Granville      05/11/12 16:51      
      ordinary      Erik Malund      05/11/12 17:20      
         Ther are many params needed      Jim Granville      05/11/12 18:21      
   "only" $200 ?      Andy Neil      05/11/12 23:59      
      Low cost oscilloscopes      Andy Neil      05/12/12 09:18      
         291 > 2*($199)      Joseph Hebert      05/12/12 09:45      
            It doesn't always work that way      Andy Neil      05/12/12 10:48      
               Once upon a time ...      Joseph Hebert      05/12/12 13:28      
   SDS8202      Mahmood Elnasser      06/14/12 13:58      
      Read all the "fine print' first ... and ask any questions      Richard Erlacher      06/14/12 20:31      
         bought it      Mahmood Elnasser      06/16/12 03:07      
            Please let us know how this works out for you      Richard Erlacher      06/16/12 04:19      
               datasheet      Mahmood Elnasser      06/16/12 05:26      
                  2mV/div - but min trig level?      Per Westermark      06/16/12 07:01      
                     Tests      Mahmood Elnasser      06/16/12 09:55      
                        24ns      Per Westermark      06/16/12 11:09      
                           and that's the crux      Erik Malund      06/16/12 11:41      
                              FPGA pulse Expander (edited)      Mahmood Elnasser      06/16/12 12:06      
                                 some love the mother, some love the daughter        Erik Malund      06/16/12 12:13      
                                 Here's omne fairly simple thing ...      Richard Erlacher      06/16/12 15:22      
                                 self calibtrate?      Jim Granville      06/16/12 20:42      
                                    interesting      Mahmood Elnasser      06/16/12 23:01      
                                       yes      Jim Granville      06/16/12 23:15      
                                          glurk      Jez Smith      06/17/12 13:33      
                                             DCMs      Mahmood Elnasser      06/17/12 14:49      
                                                Well....      Jez Smith      06/17/12 15:48      
                                                   I don't know where you're going with this ...      Richard Erlacher      06/17/12 21:25      
                                             xxxxx      Mahmood Elnasser      06/20/12 12:53      
                           333ps      Mahmood Elnasser      06/18/12 00:59      
      SDS9302      Mahmood Elnasser      07/05/12 10:32      
         So, how are you exercising this new 'scope?      Richard Erlacher      07/05/12 10:53      
            so far so good      Mahmood Elnasser      07/08/12 09:45      
               So far so good ...      Richard Erlacher      07/08/12 10:49      
                  rise time      Mahmood Elnasser      08/15/12 13:28      
                     The rise time indicates that high frequencies gets dampened      Per Westermark      08/15/12 16:26      
                     What does "bandwidth" mean?      Richard Erlacher      08/15/12 17:45      
                        good test      Mahmood Elnasser      08/30/12 15:09      
                           Perhaps you should repeat the test ...       Richard Erlacher      08/30/12 23:08      

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